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    I think that half the problem with the audio/MIDI over LAN thing is that it has to work with loads of plugs and loads of different systems. With only one player to worry about it could well be less of a problem. Don't forget that VSL came up with the "run outside the DAW" memory dodge years before Logic/Apple did, so they are obviously thinking outside the box. I'm pretty sure that if/when MIR arrives, all controls will be available form the DAW machine, as it would be rather a retrograde step to have to deal with multiple rodents, keyboards and monitors.

    DG
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    @DG said:

    I think that half the problem with the audio/MIDI over LAN thing is that it has to work with loads of plugs and loads of different systems. With only one player to worry about it could well be less of a problem. Don't forget that VSL came up with the "run outside the DAW" memory dodge years before Logic/Apple did, so they are obviously thinking outside the box. I'm pretty sure that if/when MIR arrives, all controls will be available form the DAW machine, as it would be rather a retrograde step to have to deal with multiple rodents, keyboards and monitors.

     

    DG

    True enough about MIR - in fact, I believe it's already been stated by Dietz that the MIR machine will connect via ethernet, and use metadata from the VIs to adjust its mix settings, in some fashion. However, passing audio over the network is an entirely different problem. Timing issues with something like remote control, or the metadata suggested to be used for MIR, are not really an issue. But for audio this is a huge challenge (latency), and I just can't imagine VSL spending the time/money to write this stuff from the ground up. (Doesn't necessarily rule out licensing it from Max.) Add to that the fact that VE is *free* and I'm __really__ thinking we won't see anything this fancy. Just my opinion, though... they could certainly surprise us all. --J. (btw, how do you get actual carriage returns to work? Mine seem to get ignored.)
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    IE6; it just works. [:D]

    DG
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    I know Midi and Audio over LAN are big jumps for the VSL team, but with a library as big (and expanding) as the VSL one you're going to have to live with multiple machines for many years so a robust solution from them to address this would be money well spent.

    If I was doing business development at VSL I'd probably either buy out Max or even the Wormhole guys (who don't know what to do with their s/w) and produce a solution that works just for the VI - which is far easier (as has been mentioned) when you only need to focus on one AU/VST solution rather than a generic one.

    I hope the VSL team chips in soon, the suspense is killing me (and no doubt a few others)...

    EDIT: And yes the carriage return/line feeds are not working from Safari on OSX10.4 - I've had to use the manual < br=""> tag to make it work....
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    However, machines are getting so powerful that now it is possible to run everything from one machine.With both Windows and Mac OS being able to address 16GB RAM, PC farms may temporarily become a thing of the past.

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    @DG said:

    ...PC farms may temporarily become a thing of the past.

     

    DG

    ooh, what a lovely thought! ;-)
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    But how would I heat my house?
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    Hmmm... I notice VST support is listed as only available on PC. :'( Does this mean that Cubase 4 users on Mac will not be able to use Ensemble??? ugh... I hope I misread this. --Leo
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    VSL made a mistake on this one first time round. I'm sure that won't happen again, and Mac VST users will be next in line (together with PC RTAS?),

    DG
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    What about the X-fade option ? any improvement ? [A]

    I mean, we'll we have a solution for the "50% chorus bug" ?
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    It's not a bug, it's a feature. And no, I doubt it.....

    DG
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    Hi,

    VST for OSX will be available for the Vienna Ensemble, too.

    RTAS for PC is not a priority at the moment, it may follow later on.

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    @SyQuEsT said:

    What about the X-fade option ? any improvement ?

     

    I mean, we'll we have a solution for the "50% chorus bug" ?

    Well, it's pretty much impossible to 'solve' the "50% chorus bug" when you're using direct sample playback. It's possible with some form of resynthesis, but VSL has stated their position on that: they're only interested in using pure, untouched samples. They may be able to devise a better workaround than the straight x-fade, but it's a huge challenge... I mean, they already have the "dynamics" samples, so it could just be a matter of figuring out an intuitive, realtime way of using those(??). Mind you, the other thing that I've hardly seen mentioned in this thread is the fact that they explicitly mention "version 2.0" of the Vienna Instruments on the VE "teaser" page. So, Vienna Instruments 2.0 is on it's way as well. We'll just have to wait and see what improvements that holds! Maybe they'll have a convolution-based x-fader. (But then you'd have to accept considerably higher CPU usage for each instance...) --J.
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    Actually Herb did say (rather cryptically) that they had solved it, but that current computers would only be able to run about 2 instances at a time. If that is true, then I would be quite happy to accept an offline, high quality render in order to use this feature. It is the one feature in VI that wastes the most time for me. Of course, this wouldn't help any DAW users where mixdowns have to happen in real time. Serves them right for using lame software. [:D]

    DG
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    "Solved it" using raw samples? That's kind of amazing, actually. But I suppose it's probably possible... (not sure how you'd do it, mind you... but I guess that's why I don't work at VSL). ;-) --J.
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    I can't remember, what exactly did I say?

    However, Vienna Instruments remains to be a sample player. No synthesis or similiar stuff.

    best

    Herb
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    @herb said:

    However, Vienna Instruments remains to be a sample player. No synthesis or similiar stuff.

    Good answer [Y][:)]
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    @herb said:

    I can't remember, what exactly did I say?

    Vitamin B...
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    Herb's statement is one of artistic principle above everything else - that the purity of samples is paramount. And someone jimmyjacking around with waveforms can go elsewhere. [H]

    BTW - crossfade phasing is a non-issue with VSL.  If you have a bee in your bonnet concerning this use any one of the massive number of dynamic samples available. That is why they were recorded.
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    well, nevertheless - in their tutorial videos the show off dynamic crossfades - and some of them sound - at least to my ears - totally unmusical, faked, scary - and I do not consider myself to be a purist or anything. I think time stretching and formant shifting would be a great addition to the sample player - Roland and Creamware (STS5000) already showed that time-manipulation and such can be done with great quality. This would help the vibrato expressiveness a lot. With Kontakt we had at least (soundwise) limited possibilities available. not with the VI yet, but planning to transfer slowly .... best