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  • Appassionata Strings Articulations Qusetions

    Hi,

    I'm considering the purchase of the "Appassionata Strings" VI library, I heard some of the demos, and I think they sounded very nice. Especially for the syrupy flowing legato lines.

    Here are a few questions :

    1. How do users like the other articulations, (Detache, Marc., Stacc., Tremolos, Pizz, ...etc.) ? mainly for faster paced bowed string lines, arps, ...etc.

    2. Are there other user demos using "Appassionata Strings" that show off these other articulations ?

    Thanks.

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    @muziksculp said:

    Hi,

    I'm considering the purchase of the "Appassionata Strings" VI library, I heard some of the demos, and I think they sounded very nice. Especially for the syrupy flowing legato lines.

    1. How do users like the other articulations, (Detache, Marc., Stacc., Tremolos, Pizz, ...etc.) ? mainly for faster paced bowed string lines, arps, ...etc.

    2. Are there other user demos using "Appassionata Strings" that show off these other articulations ?


    Hi Muziksculp
    To question 1
    Perhaps you have listen to the "articulation-demo". There is a part which shows the spiccatos and there is also an orchestra run produced with the performance trill articulation. I can confirm that the Appassionatas could be very agile as well but without losing their warm character.

    To question 2
    I once tried to make a Starwars-Demo which unfortunately never has come to a successful end. Especially the Appassionata Strings would need some more hours of work. Nevertheless: Listen to this short excerpt which includes the appassionatas as strings (Double Basses from the Orchestra-Library)

    a) Go to http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/demos/index.html
    b) Select the Player U-Music
    c) search for Starwars Snippet2
    d) press "Play"

    All the best ... and buy the Appassionats
    They are worth the money - every cent

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • I am looking at either Appassionata Strings with the extended library, or Orchestral Strings 1 and 2, without the extended library (either way is about $1200). Could you get away with only having the Appassionata Strings or are they too specialized?
    Does it take longer to work with one or the other?
    If you only had one, which would it be?
    Thanks

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    @Doogie said:

    I am looking at either Appassionata Strings with the extended library, or Orchestral Strings 1 and 2, without the extended library (either way is about $1200). Could you get away with only having the Appassionata Strings or are they too specialized?
    Does it take longer to work with one or the other?
    If you only had one, which would it be?
    Thanks


    It might help to know what library you already own.

  • Hi Beat,

    Thank You for the very useful info. and feedback regarding "App. Strings". I have to say that the "App. Strings" legatos are beautiful sounding, they are great for those cinematic/ lyrical large section strings, they are warm, and have a very pleasing "timbre", which is crucial.

    I can go ahead, and say they are the best sounding large section legato strings I have heard so far from any strings sample library ! even when compared to the other VSL strings, (and I'm very very picky about strings [:D] I can comfortably give them an "A" grade.

    The only detail that is slowing me down from buying this library is the shorter articulations, so, I would love to hear more of the shorter articiation exposed alone in a piece, plus, blended with the legato versions, listening to the currently available shorter articulation demos alone is not easy to make a good evaluation (at least for myself), but hopefully they will not dissapoint, but, it is only after hearing them that I can make a comfortable decision to buy the "App. Strings" extended version.

    All The Best,

    Muziksculp.

  • I am currently using the Opus 1/2 strings, and solo strings from the Horizon Series

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    @Doogie said:

    I am currently using the Opus 1/2 strings, and solo strings from the Horizon Series


    Then it's real easy i would say. Get App. As you have quiet a few of the Strings 1 & 2 in Opus 1, App will add much more to your pallet than Orchestral strings. And they sound like the best things since sliced bread was invented. [:D]

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    @Anonymous Joe said:

    ... what library you already own.
    ... already have licensed - i have to be strict on this wording [H]
    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @Anonymous Joe said:

    ... what library you already own.
    ... already have licensed - i have to be strict on this wording [H]
    christian

    [:D] Damn! I keep making that mistake. [[;)]]

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    @Doogie said:

    I am currently using the Opus 1/2 strings, and solo strings from the Horizon Series


    An other choice you should look into is Chamber strings For Horizon which is on sale at a rather ridiculous price right now. + App standard edition, and later upgrade to App extended edition when you have more $. The idea here is to take the deal when it's there. You don't see to many of those you know. I also think Chamber strings is a nice little library that can be use for layering and divisi etc..

    Just an idea!

    Good luck!

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    @Anonymous Joe said:

    ... what library you already own.
    ... already have licensed - i have to be strict on this wording [H]
    christian

    Are you talking about one of those metal plate you put on the back of your car? If so? I looked in the box and couldn't find one...

    ...But i did find DVDs with samples on them! So i thought i bought samples as a result. Stupid me. [[;)]]

  • no, i'm talking about the numbers and characters you put into the boxes of your license control center [;)] and of course about the license agreement you agree to when installing the sample data ...
    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    no, i'm talking about the numbers and characters you put into the boxes of your license control center [;)] and of course about the license agreement you agree to when installing the sample data ...
    christian


    Bahhh! I never reed those! [:D]

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    @muziksculp said:

    Hi Beat,

    ...The only detail that is slowing me down from buying this library is the shorter articulations, so, I would love to hear more of the shorter articiation exposed alone in a piece, plus, blended with the legato versions, listening to the currently available shorter articulation demos alone is not easy to make a good evaluation (at least for myself), but hopefully they will not dissapoint, but, it is only after hearing them that I can make a comfortable decision to buy the "App. Strings" extended version. ...All The Best,
    Muziksculp.

    Hi Muziksculp
    I will produce a short sequence with staccatos and short detaches tomorrow. some runs and repetitions > OK? Hop you are patient till tomorrow...
    Soon

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    @cm said:

    no, i'm talking about the numbers and characters you put into the boxes of your license control center [;)] and of course about the license agreement you agree to when installing the sample data ...
    christian


    Well you were right to mention it because it turns out i forgot to register my last VSL product...

    I got to say i love that huge sale you guys are having.
    Many thanks for that! [H]

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    @muziksculp said:

    Hi Beat,

    ...The only detail that is slowing me down from buying this library is the shorter articulations, so, I would love to hear more of the shorter articiation exposed alone in a piece, plus, blended with the legato versions, listening to the currently available shorter articulation demos alone is not easy to make a good evaluation (at least for myself), but hopefully they will not dissapoint, but, it is only after hearing them that I can make a comfortable decision to buy the "App. Strings" extended version. ...All The Best,
    Muziksculp.

    Hi Muziksculp
    I will produce a short sequence with staccatos and short detaches tomorrow. some runs and repetitions > OK? Hop you are patient till tomorrow...
    Soon

    Beat

    Thanks Again Beat,

    I appreciate your additional effort in showcasing the shorter articulations of "App. Strings". Patience is no problem... by the way, 'patience' is one quality that we all must have a lot of these days [[;)]] ).

    Cheers.

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    @muziksculp said:


    Thanks Again Beat,
    I appreciate your additional effort in showcasing the shorter articulations of "App. Strings". Patience is no problem... by the way, 'patience' is one quality that we all must have a lot of these days [[;)]] ).
    Cheers.

    Hi
    Part 1
    Handel Bourée: The only two articulations I used for the violins, violas and cellos: Staccato and the Detache Short. Because the d.bass doesn't got the detache articulation I used instead of it the sfz-art.

    Part 2
    Runs with the stacc-articulation (all instruments) 1st section f, 2nd section mf
    Remark: There is the spiccato articulation as well which would be even shorter than stac...

    Part 3
    Repetition articulations
    Remark The double bass does not includ such an articulation

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/VSL/BK_AppStacDetRep.mp3

    Best
    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • That's not bad at all.

    Beat, do you thing Appassionata would do well in a baroque setting? Because it sound like they would, which surprise me a bit as this was not the goal as i understand it.

  • Hi Beat,

    Thank You very much for creating some additional demos showcasing the shorter articulations of "App. Strings" They sound very good !

    Yes, this is very helpful in further evaluating "App. Strings", although, I still would like to hear some additional pieces using the "App. Strings" short and long articulations mixed together in a piece (I'm guessing that some additional user demos might show up, which can demonstrate this a bit further).

    I have a few additional questions,

    Q1) Which 'short-fortissimo' articulation of the "App. Strings" has the the most prominent bow/scrape of the bow type component of the sound, as far as the short articulations are concerned (Marc., Stacc, Spicc ?), and is it possible to increase the presence of scrape part of the sound by boosting some of the mid and high frequencies via EQ ?

    Q2) How do you like the string Tremolos when playing various dynamics (pp, mp, ff, fff) ?

    Q3) What exactly are the 'Harsh' articulation ? (i.e. how are they actually played by the string players ? and how useful are they in general string writing (or are they meant to be a special effect type sound ?)

    Q4) How do the 'Performance Interval Fast' for (legato, spic., marc., harsh) differ from the normal (legato, spic,marc, harsh), just a bit more explanation, here would help get a clearer picture (I'm guessing they have an interval detection mechanism, but, just a a little more info. on this would be great).

    Q5) Are there any future plans to further complement the current content of "Appa. Strings" with additional material.... maybe "Appa. Strings 2" ?

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    Hi muziksculp,

    I'll try to answer your questions based on my experience with the App Strings.

    A1) If you want more bow sound use the Harsh articulation, if that is to aggressive of a sound use spiccato. It really depends on the length of the note since spicc is shorter than Marc and stacc. If you want to bring out the bow noise more I would recommend an Exciter not an EQ.

    A2) The tremolos are quit dramatic since the ensemble size is large. This articulation is a powerful sound in App Strings but of coarse you can control it via velocity xfade control which will allow for realtime dynamic/velocity control.

    A3) The Harsh articulation IMO could be used succesfully in stabs, highly dramtic or emotional phrases that need rhythmic accents...It does walk the line of being an effect but it is not uncommon in modern orchestral concert and film music.
    The sound was created by the player striking the string very forcefully and heavily.
    Its a full, dense sound with a strong attack.

    A4) The FA or Fast articulations are unique to VSL. They use a Speed controller which automatically detects how fast you play. VSL recorded these articulations at difference speeds, normal and fast. The VI can switch the samples in realtime as you play your sequence. The benefit being that all you have to do is play your phrase and the VI will properly choose the appropriate sample without you having to think about a thing or use any controllers. It definitely adds to the realism of a performce.

    I recommend you visit the video tutorial page. There is a short video on this feature, it will explain and demonstrate the Speed controller. I garauntee you will be blown away if you've not seen it.

    Its quit an ingenious mechanism.

    A5) One thing about VSL is that they never release any information about upcoming products. So, if there are any plans for a v2 of the App Strings there would be no hint of it until it hit the streets.

    Also, I don't see a point in it. The product is perfect and achieves the goal VSL set for themselves and it fills a hole in the market place. I can maybe see them adding updates to it but to release a whole new set of samples would be redundant and unneccassary.

    I hope I have aided you in making your decision and answered your questions.

    David Mikautadze

    @muziksculp said:



    Q1) Which 'short-fortissimo' articulation of the "App. Strings" has the the most prominent bow/scrape of the bow type component of the sound, as far as the short articulations are concerned (Marc., Stacc, Spicc ?), and is it possible to increase the presence of scrape part of the sound by boosting some of the mid and high frequencies via EQ ?

    Q2) How do you like the string Tremolos when playing various dynamics (pp, mp, ff, fff) ?

    Q3) What exactly are the 'Harsh' articulation ? (i.e. how are they actually played by the string players ? and how useful are they in general string writing (or are they meant to be a special effect type sound ?)

    Q4) How do the 'Performance Interval Fast' for (legato, spic., marc., harsh) differ from the normal (legato, spic,marc, harsh), just a bit more explanation, here would help get a clearer picture (I'm guessing they have an interval detection mechanism, but, just a a little more info. on this would be great).

    Q5) Are there any future plans to further complement the current content of "Appa. Strings" with additional material.... maybe "Appa. Strings 2" ?