In response to some posts above:
I keep a separate partition with OSX installed ("Drive B"). I always update it to whatever version of OSX I use on my main drive. Diskwarrior is also present there.

I have had MANY instances where I've been forced to reboot from my Drive B because my main drive has had serious problems. It's way faster than booting from a CD-ROM and DiskWarrior saves my butt every time. (By the way, the DiskWarrior manual warns you NOT to run DiskUtility or any other rescue app first...)

For some OS upgrades in the past, I have done the safe boot/unplug everything/de-install extensions etc etc etc. This time, I backed up my main drive and simply ran the updater.

Not a single problem so far. (No doubt, my whole system will go legs up directly after this post....)

It's all voodoo. [[:|]]

Regards - Colin

@musos said:

Not a single problem so far. (No doubt, my whole system will go legs up directly after this post....)

It's all voodoo. [[:|]]

Regards - Colin

LOL-- let's hope your system holds steady for a good, long time!

When you say "not a single problem so far", I take it your're in 10.4.10? If so, congrats. Same here, so far.

Voodoo. LOL! [:P]

Thanks, JWL, for answering...

@Another User said:

Repair Permission...///...///...///.../// is something only Apple could answer as per your specific needs.

I can just agree with that... there are a lot of things that only Apple could answer, and -i think- they never will! (like the meaning of the "log" after Logic have a crash... we can send it to them... but they don't help us to understand, at least partially, it... Yeah! It's a... Forbidden Planet! [H])


So to speak...

Cheers,
Rino [:D]

Installed 10.4.10 (using the Combo updater) and have experienced no problems so far. (Repaired Permissions before and after, rebooted before install.)

Regarding Repairing Permissions, I was also told by an an Apple Tech to use Disk Utility on the startup disk and not on the CD ROM. I do it after starting in Safe Mode.

@Another User said:

.... there are a lot of things that only Apple could answer, and -i think- they never will! (like the meaning of the "log" after Logic have a crash... we can send it to them... but they don't help us to understand, at least partially, it... Yeah! It's a... Forbidden Planet! [H])


So to speak...

Cheers,
Rino [:D]

This is only a theory about the log "sent to Apple" on a crash:

The data is not immediately read by a human, but stored in their data base. Crashes of a certain type are sought out and compiled as needed by their computer only when a quantity of users having the problem bother to report the data to Apple. The only time the user comments are read by a human being (ie: "what were you doing at the time of the crash") is to verify what may have triggered the problem. If enough different users report the same problems, then Apple has no choice (in good conscience) but to address the issue.

That's just my theory, but I report everything to Apple that I can in hopes it helps in some way. It does feel like yelling into an empty cave sometimes: the only thing that comes back to you is the sound of your own voice echoing within the abyss. [[;)]]

I didn't see anything in the Apple information to make me think there's any reason to update. Am I wrong?

@Nick Batzdorf said:

I didn't see anything in the Apple information to make me think there's any reason to update. Am I wrong?

Honestly, Nick? I rarely understand why these things are updated at all as far as DAWs are concerned. I would have been happy to stay with 10.4.8, except once X4.9 was released it seemed that 10.4.8 started acting up on me.

Other than the alleged USB fix which might have had some residual benefit with dongles, I didn't see anything in particular where virtual instruments were concerned.

"if it ain't broke..."

Updated using Automatic update (which seems to select the right update for my computer rather than me possibly choosing the wrong one) on my MacbookPro and had a long session with VI and LogicPro yesterday and everything seems fine. Hope the voodoo doesn't get me!

JWL... you're right! ...on DiskWarrior 4, there is the new feature "Repair Disk Permissions"... [[;)]]



EDIT (3 hours later): ...sorry if we're going OT (it's a Parallel Cell [:D] ...ehm ehm... Topic![:O]ops[:)], but I've got to write this (also if I've not problem at all... just curiosity!)...
JWL (cm) I've repaired Disk Permissions with DW4 (booting from DW's DVD)... it's indeed repaired some of them... after re-booting MacOS X (still 10.4.9) on my startup disk, the first thing I've done, I've launched DiskUtilities and... Repaired Permissions again (just to see if DW has done a good job)... Well... also if DW 4 has Repaired Permissions... Disk Utilities has done it again... finding some errors... [[:|]] [*-)]: [*-)]: [*-)]:

I give up. [:'(]

rino-- there's no telling what's going on under the hood with these things.

If DW fixed some permissions and not others, and if OSX Repair managed a few others besides-- dunno-- difficult to say.

I'd be careful about using both permissions repair at the same time until Apple or Alsoft could shed some light on how each impacts on the system.

Generally speaking, I use Apple's own utilities first until such time the reports it gives indicate that it could not repair something. Then, I resort to DW and consign its results as final.

Where a file cannot be repaired, it's probably best to just replace the file. How each utility repairs permissions and directories is a bit of a mystery. One wonders with Apple's own utility why DW would be needed at all, exccept that DW *seems* to do a better job overall. I wouldn't take this as law, but it sounds to me that you are in good shape, Rino. I'd leave things alone until either utility tells you that there is a specific problem.

@Another User said:

there's no telling what's going on under the hood with these things.

I agree... completely! [:D]

Thanks JWL for... chattering! [[;)]]
Cheers...
R

@Another User said:

there's no telling what's going on under the hood with these things.

I agree... completely! [:D]

Thanks JWL for... chattering! [[;)]]
Cheers...
R

é stato un piacere! [:P]

[[[:D]]] [[[:D]]] [[[:D]]]

...anyway here all good.

Glad to hear that people are having success!

Certain apps are getting confused by the number of the OS. It seems that Cocoa apps read only four digits without decimals, so 10.4.10 and 10.4.1 are both being read by some apps as 1041. Confusing.

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070628105254900

Audio Update 2007-001 http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
if you have Version 1.1 of the 10.4.10-Update you don't need it
it is related to http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305840
[*-)] christian

Thanks [[;)]]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, but installed 10.4.10 and now I have major problems!! If I run even Itunes or quicktime without my MOTU connected evrything is fine, but as soon as I turn my interface on nothing works. If i press play in Itunes it freezes, if I press play in quicktime it plays but no sound!!! Plus the machine gets real slow!!!

I can't just roll back to 10.4.9? Do I have to reinstall the OS and then run updates till 10.4.9? If I reinstall the os will that then mean I will have to reinstall DP, all my vienna instruments etc?

Help lease I am really stuck, any suggestions would be gratefully received!!!

A further word of caution:

The latest versions of iTunes 7.3.1 and QuickTime 7.2 have been problemmatic for some DAW users. There were security issues with both, which was allegedly addressed in part by Security Update 2007-006. While Audio Update 1.1 helped DAW users, more specific information is not known regarding how well all of these updates in combination are functioning at this time.

@Simsy said:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, but installed 10.4.10 and now I have major problems!! If I run even Itunes or quicktime without my MOTU connected evrything is fine, but as soon as I turn my interface on nothing works. If i press play in Itunes it freezes, if I press play in quicktime it plays but no sound!!! Plus the machine gets real slow!!!

I can't just roll back to 10.4.9? Do I have to reinstall the OS and then run updates till 10.4.9? If I reinstall the os will that then mean I will have to reinstall DP, all my vienna instruments etc?

Help lease I am really stuck, any suggestions would be gratefully received!!!

Try the Audio Update 1.1 first. Log out and log in again-- or restart the computer.

Otherwise, this might be of interest to you:
http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/340463/downgrade-mac-osx-10-4-9-a/