"Well, MichaelD. I think you ment no harm.
But it seems you got the quilty angry" - Ron H
No, we don't make quilts here, this is about music.
But it seems you got the quilty angry" - Ron H
No, we don't make quilts here, this is about music.
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Just for your information, the person who wrote this thread -
James Horner is the one of the least original film composers ever -
He has stolen directly from - not mere similarities or inspirations, but direct copying of everything including orchestration (on films I happened to notice - i am sure there are more) :
Schumann's 3rd Symphony First Movement: Willow Main Theme.
Ives "Unanswered Question": "Humanoids from the Deep."
Shostakovich 5th Symphony 3rd Movement: "The Sorceresses"
Prokofiev's "Alexander Nevsky" : "Star Trek II" AND "Troy"
So before you accuse people of stealing from your idols, you might want to know who your idols steal from...
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I think its appropriate that we hear classical or film music references (and even full classical reproductions) in the VSL demos.
It's an easy way to decide if certain techniques, styles, etc. sound good or great using these tools.
Clark
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@William said:
Just for your information, the person who wrote this thread -
James Horner is the one of the least original film composers ever -
He has stolen directly from - not mere similarities or inspirations, but direct copying of everything including orchestration (on films I happened to notice - i am sure there are more):
There certainly are; the podcast Opportunity Makes a Thief from Film Score Monthly provides many examples of concert music that's ended up wholesale in Horner's scores.
The Russian composers seem to be a particularly rich source for him; indeed, one might argue that, thanks to Horner, Prokofiev and Shostakovich continue to be among our leading contemporary film composers.
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That is hilarious! I am glad other people have noticed this. I remember being shocked time after time while suddenly hearing ripoffs in James Horner scores, not just "influences" - such as found in John Williams, who though influenced by other composers sometimes writes something quite similar - has an original basic style of his own which is as distinctive as any composer he is similar to. Also, his themes are his own. Yes, a secondary theme like "lois Lane" is like Strauss "Death and Transfiguration" or whatever, but the main themes are quite original. Since Williams is an excellent conductor also, this also causes influences to seep into his work.
It is difficult to create a hard and fast distinction as a definition, but he is not doing what Horner does, which is the wholesale lifting of an entire passage, with small changes, as a main theme. With the Schumann Third Symphony, Horner simply took the main theme and put in little fanfares, and presto! You've got yourself a theme for your soundtrack.
I don't care when somebody can't help doing something similar because they love the music that inspired them - like John Williams - but when somebody does this so callously, and calculatingly - that is disgusting.
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Hello MichaelD, and thank you for the (probably unintentional) compliment. Did you miss the second half of the Descent influence? That was Holst. So, I guess, I'm saying: your point is....what? Hardly suspicious,really, since I have made no attempt to disguise the influence. If you look at Igor's score and my pale imitation, they aren't particularly similar, actually: there's more than a bit of Berg in there too.
In the world of professional composing for the media (and even elsewhere), it happens all the time, as far back as Korngold, so waddya gonna do? Like Guy Bacos said, quoting, Stravinsky, composers are frequently,ere, misappropriating musical funds.
Oh, and take a listen to my Dark City [;)] a "Marvellous" piece.
Oh, and Ron H: you're not THE Ron H, are you? 'Cos that would make a lot of sense. Hehehehe!
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@strawinsky said:
Oh, and Ron H: you're not THE Ron H, are you? 'Cos that would make a lot of sense. Hehehehe!
Well tell me mister smart-guy................(hehehehe?.............)
Jesus(LOL)....what a bunch of sad people here.......... [8-)]
Probably all suffering a livetime composers-block...............( [:D] )
Well ...Hold on! or I should better say Let go! and go fishing or something....... [:D]
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And when all's said and done, yes, it does sound like the Rite. The virgin is going up to the cliff or whatever it is they throw her off.
But it's a very skillfully written piece.
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And Stravinski's Pulcinella is a bunch of Pergolesi tunes - except that Stravinsky said, "The only thing I like of Pergolesi is Pulcinella."
Although according to the link below, it's not Pergolesi. Who knows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Pergolesi
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@strawinsky said:
Oh, and Ron H: you're not THE Ron H, are you? 'Cos that would make a lot of sense. Hehehehe!
Well tell me mister smart-guy................(hehehehe?.............)
Jesus(LOL)....what a bunch of sad people here.......... [8-)]
Probably all suffering a livetime composers-block...............( [:D] )
Well ...Hold on! or I should better say Let go! and go fishing or something....... [:D]
I'm not sad: I'm just starting work on two feature films. In fact, I'm rather happy. Please, let's hear some of YOUR music, then perhaps we could all defer to true,unsullied, influence-free genius.Just kidding: you're probably hans Zimmer with a pseudonym. [;)]
Thanks, Nick. It's one of several tracks for music library (along with Dark City and others which aren't on this site). so, soundalike is the order of the day. Judging by the reactions, I've succeeded. Still loving the mag, BTW.
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...apart from the "n" in something? Hahaha!Paul, you're hilarious, and it's great to have you back. Guy's right: only so many notes, but one can still sound original. Like, I think Arvo Part manages to reinvent the religious style into something new, yet strangely ancient-sounding, yet staying quite tonal.