Well I'm assuming that the version I just heard is the alternative version, 'cos it sounds very good to me.
DG
DG
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As an introduction,
I'll just say that I have little time to spend here, so i'll do that kind of responding just once, not twice.
And I do it only because of my big surprise about your (childish ?) reaction, because I did not intend any attack towards an individual, it was just a concern about what seems to me a lack of judgment from a professional company, which I like and respect, in the context of a promotional campaign for a new product..
Anyway, as someone who accepts to make his work public , you should be prepared to pick good and bad response with an equal temper....I am very proud of this demo and "Take Five" as well, if one will focus on the negativity only I feel sorry for that person.
Stay proud, I can live with that.
But please, don't feel sorry for me, I do well very with my "negativity".
And FYI, I can also spend a lot of time writing or saying good things for things that I love and find really deserving.
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Now :
I just wonder why somebody who feels so unconcerend by somebody else's judgment takes so pain into responding.
I just want to stress 2 things :
1) I was cautious to spread enough "IMHOs" and "for me" in my statemetn to really make this judgment mine, and not some kind of absolute truth....
2) I did not adress you presonnaly in fact (your lack of taste in reverb dosage is you problem, not mine). My concern was about some kind of possible "drifitng" of VSL team, which really disapointed me in only 2 occasions the "Take 5" demo, which really ended as a missed purchase (so far at least) and this one....
The fact that you are the creator is a side-point, so don't take it personnally.
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Em, right this demo sucks and "Take Five" is the worst sax demo ever made, I think you should be refunded all your money....and also financial compensation for the severe trauma you went through with the disappointing demos.
Once again, you get it all wrong :
there is absolutely no money involved,
I did NOT buy the VI Sax (98% because of Take Five, which let me with a bad taste and the "do I really want to spend that money for this ?" idea...).
I will *maybe* upgrade from Opus to Special Edition, but certainly not because of the current demo, more likely because of all the instrument which are not in Opus.
And for the trauma, you can do like me, I mean go to bed with a quiet mind, I don't think that this overdose of reverb will cause me any nightmare...
I can just recommend that you learn to accept those kind of comments, if you really want to live a good life AND make yur works public.
have a good night,
Peace,
Cheers.
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Take five was not the 1st sax demo on line, but the 1st "jazz" sax demo, the natural sound of the lib will not give the jazzy articulation for general leg sound you have to do additional work for that, I sweated trying to come close to that sound with all kind of ways, it gave something very acceptable, this was sort of my own way of extending the possibilities, and instead of being nicely credited for it I'm publicly accused of damaging VSL's demos reputation!! Some nerve!
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The funny thing is that according to Sir Sirbellog, the 2 worst demos in the history of this site are mine and then he has the nerve to tell me to not take it personally. Weird!
I guess that once one gets a Knighthood, then the feelings of all the rest of us commoners don't matter. [8-)]
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I actually thought this was a great demo. It shows just what VSE is capable of, and that was its' intention. I would say that the demo is one of the most realistic I've ever heard; VSE sounds like a great deal! I would probably buy it now, but I'm going to uni at the end of the year... [*-)]
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Is this a marketing plot or what? Because now i want to listen to Take five! [:D]
Seriously Guy, don't worry about it, your demo is fine. Even if it's true it's a little too wet it wont affect my decision to buy it or not. In fact it had a rather good impression on me. The articulation list will seal the deal for me. Here is hopping it has as much articulation than Opus does?
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@janila said:
Guy, I understand that you're hurt right now but could you tell me which strings you used on the demo? Take this question as a positive remark from a guy who is more interested in getting the VSE after than before hearing the demo. [:)]
I pretty much used all the strings in Special Edition, for the sustained strings that was Appassionata, for the section that sounded like the old strings, that was portamento from string orchestra. Let me know if there's any specific places you want to know....
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@janila said:
Guy, I understand that you're hurt right now but could you tell me which strings you used on the demo? Take this question as a positive remark from a guy who is more interested in getting the VSE after than before hearing the demo. [[:)]]
I pretty much used all the strings in Special Edition, for the sustained strings that was Appassionata, for the section that sounded like the old strings, that was portamento from string orchestra. Let me know if there's any specific places you want to know....This already helped as I just wanted to make sure that I don't have all those samples yet. [[:)]] I'm off to bed waiting for the articulation list. Thanks!
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The more i listen to it the more i like it. Your demos is perfect to show the versatility of a product like VI SE.
Well done Guy!
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I'm curious as to which of the legatos is included for the strings? Is it the regular one, the newer 'fast legato'? How well does it work?
In the Opus Bundle all the woodwind and brass legatos were phenomenal (though the performance tool was less than convenient over a multi system setup...), but the string legatos were.. well.. I personally found them unusable.. solid string legatos would be a big plus of this new set (and a positive of the new format.. which I still morn over for other reasons.. [:P] )
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is it possible to imagine a price for appassionate string for poeple whose have by opus1+2 ? os a special price if they want to change exs version too vsl instrument ?
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To the detractors: You have it all wrong. Where is your class and ettiquite!? Are we gentlemen or just savages? Do you have vocabulary enough to articulate a more polite critisism. Did you pay for this demo!?
Guy is a hard working and inspirational composer and deserves at the very least the common decency and respect of any other person. In addition he is putting his art out there publicly and i know he works very hard on every demo.
In regards to the mixing of this demo, it is nothing more than a different sound, and if you have narrowed your ears to the point of only hearing one sound as being right then you are not hearing the full picture! If you have ever listened to classical music recordings of the last 50 years and film music you will have heard this sound that Guy has attempted to employ, quite well in fact. The take 5 demo I don't know how you thought it was fit to bring in a critisism of that demo into this thread but I think most would disagree that he did a really splendid job on that demo in particular and the sax sound was unique and interesting.
But that's not the point, you have a right to your opinion, and Guy doesn't need defending, his track record speaks for itself.
What has prompted me to post rather is that I don't see why people think that a bulletin board like is any different than a real public wall or poster where you just cannot go and put any rubbish up on the wall and expect that it's ok because you have the saftey of relative annonimity. (Excuse my spelling I'm pretty busy). In any real setting you might hold your tongue with the tone, implications and strength of your language - quite unnecessarily over the top and overtly insulting without relative cause - because you would probably be concerned that someone, if not Guy, would smack you on the nose for talking like that to their face about their hard work. Well that's one thing, but change the circumstances - would you say that to a truck driver delivering your package "That truck driving delivery was so rubbish I almost vomited on the box" - no you would not, He might smack you on the face. What about your plumber or electrician. People generallyy don't talk like that to each others face - why because it's disgraceful that's why we know such people as loonatics and ranters and we stay AWAY from them in real life.
Guy is an artist, making a demo, if you don't like it, I'm sure he would appreciate hearing your comments in private, I know we've had discussions where I've critised something he was working on constructively, or lent my opinion and he's always listened and I know he appreciates all feedback is my point. If you feel so inclined to publicly address the matter for all to hear, then yes, you have the right to do so, in a human manner, by using words that you would use to a persons face, just, with a little class, a little common respect and decency - some manners. If you really do talk like that to people when you don't approve of something with in your opinion, too much reverb, then you really don't deserve to have the privaledge of posting on this board. If that sounds high handed that's probably because you're dwelling too low right now and you need to raise you standards as a person and consider the consequences of your words and moreover, your written words, posted publicly on the internet in a very insulting post. I don't see there was any need or justification of posting like that, and really you could have presented your opinion along with common respect and it would have been no less effective, but a lot less disrespectful to a fellow artist.
Miklos.