I NEED an answer to these questions to know if VI will suit me. I've looked around but there no pdf that explains that.

a) How many articulations can i control with the mod wheel(EXCLUDING the use of keyswitch)? I've watched the video tutorials and i see only 3 instrument controllable by mod wheel. I would like to control way more than that 3.

b) Can i work like i would in K2 using instrument banks and program change where i can load 128 articulations asign to 1 midi channel(with out using keyswitch). Can the matrix be use as an instrument bank?

Thank you!

@Anonymous Joe said:

It's really hard for me to go back to 16 bit samples after having used 24 bit samples. I use to think that gold sounded good and still does but once i got SISS in 24 bit i got to say Gold sounds kind of cheap in comparison. I would assume it's the same with VSL.

That's comparing rotten apples with a screwdriver. The quality of the recording means a lot more than the bit depth of the samples. Then there is the sample engine and your equipment that have an effect on the sound quality. The difference between 16 bit and 24 bit end product is almost negligible if both are made from 24 bit source files and the possible editing has been done in 24 bits.

My example may not be perfect but it still work IMO. ANyway, you listen to user demos done with Gold and Platinum you will hear a huge difference.

You can manage 1728 articulations in only one VI instance (on one miditrack).
And each articulation ca also be stacked with a second articulation (layering or crossfading)

One Vienna Instruments holds 12 matrices which can be switched via keyswitches or programm changes.
And each matrix can be setup with 144 patches/articluations.
You would need two controllers (or keyswitches), one controller, for example modwheel, to switch between 12 horizontal cells/articulations, and a second controller of your choice, swithimg between 12 vertical cells.

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Herb

@herb said:

You can manage 1728 articulations in only one VI instance (on one miditrack).
And each articulation ca also be stacked with a second articulation (layering or crossfading)

One Vienna Instruments holds 12 matrices which can be switched via keyswitches or programm changes.
And each matrix can be setup with 144 patches/articluations.
You would need two controllers (or keyswitches), one controller, for example modwheel, to switch between 12 horizontal cells/articulations, and a second controller of your choice, swithimg between 12 vertical cells.

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Herb

Thanks for the quick reply Herb. It looks like it may suit my needs. I would have prefered to have control to more than 12 articulation with the mode wheel(only) but i guess i could live with that.

Thank you.

@anonymous said:

It looks like it may suit my needs. I would have prefered to have control to more than 12 articulation with the mode wheel(only) but i guess i could live with that.

[*-)] SCNR

@anonymous said:

It looks like it may suit my needs. I would have prefered to have control to more than 12 articulation with the mode wheel(only) but i guess i could live with that.

[*-)] SCNR

What does that mean? [8-)]

Just click on it...

OK. SCNR means sorry could not resist.

Well the reason I'm saying this is because i like to trigger my articulations in the controller editor using program change and instrument banks in K2 where i have 128 articulation in one bank and all on one midi channel. So all i have to do is draw a line at #1 forsustained #2 stacato tec.. up to 128 using JUST ONE controller. It's by far my favorite way of doing things. So using the mod wheel is a bit similar so i guess it will suit my need. BTW i don't like to use Keyswitchs.

Here is one more question: How many different articulation can i trigger using program change only(with out the use of keyswitchs)? 12 i suppose? That will be my last question.

Yep, 12.
By the way, if you plan to buy the Special Edition you won't need more, except you want to change instruments also on a single miditrack.

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Herb

@herb said:

Yep, 12.
By the way, if you plan to buy the Special Edition you won't need more, except you want to change instruments also on a single miditrack.

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Herb

I realize that but I'm assuming there will be a VI SE part 2 that will give us a little more articulation. [[;)]]

Btw, i want to be clear that the articulation choices you've made is very good/smart, i just don't think i can live with out things like trills and a few others.. note that many.

Thanks for your time Herb.

@herb said:

All release samples included.

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Herb

edit: (except Bosendorfer)

What else can we expect, this is really perfect (where is my bass flute ???!!! [:D] )
You're right Herb, the perf legato are the most important and you provided it for every instruments (!) (except the appasionata, but the normal ones will do it)

So that's an incredible value, I wish it was only 30 Go…

@herb said:

Yep, 12.
By the way, if you plan to buy the Special Edition you won't need more, except you want to change instruments also on a single miditrack.

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Herb

I realize that but I'm assuming there will be a VI SE part 2 that will give us a little more articulation. [[;)]]

Btw, i want to be clear that the articulation choices you've made is very good/smart, i just don't think i can live with out things like trills and a few others.. note that many.

Thanks for your time Herb.
And you play all your articulation with one finger ?

Does the articulations share the same name (SE Vi and normal VI ?)
Is so, that's a good news, if not, it won't be easy to swith between the 2 library, the small and the big one, we'll have to reload every patch.

That would be perfect to take a song made on a laptop and open it in a G5 without any procedure…

@herb said:

Yep, 12.
By the way, if you plan to buy the Special Edition you won't need more, except you want to change instruments also on a single miditrack.

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Herb

I realize that but I'm assuming there will be a VI SE part 2 that will give us a little more articulation. [[;)]]

Btw, i want to be clear that the articulation choices you've made is very good/smart, i just don't think i can live with out things like trills and a few others.. note that many.

Thanks for your time Herb.
And you play all your articulation with one finger ?

I first play the part with my right hand using one articulation(leg) and then i switch articulations in the controller area using program change with the mouse(line tool) in Cubase. That's the way I'm most comfortable with. You can do that in K2 if you use Instrument banks which can contain 128 instrument slots + keyswitchs. I wish they will add this in VI at some point.

For Symphonic Cube extended instruments 128 changes are not enough, therefore we developed a solution I've described above, a solution which works for realtime performances or editing, which offers the option to switch between more than 1000 articulations on one miditrack.

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Herb

@herb said:

For Symphonic Cube extended instruments 128 changes are not enough, therefore we developed a solution I've described above, a solution which works for realtime performances or editing, which offers the option to switch between more than 1000 articulations on one miditrack.

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Herb

I realize that and i say well done. I've watch the videos and i say your player is as good as your samples which is the best compliment i could give you. My biggest concern, other than not being to load those samples in my favourite sampler, is that if i want to layer a track done in VI with one in K2 i will have to do some additional editing because they are to different tools, and that will kill my work flow a bit... But I'm thinking i may not have to layer with other samples so much since SE covers pretty much the whole orchestra, so it may not be so bad in the end. But there will need to be some addition... I guess I'm just sooo comfortable with K2 that it hurts to have to work in a different way. Note that I've never been really comfortable before... But it looks like VI may be close enough so i guess i should be able to adapt. The samples are worth it i guess.

BTW, Instrument banks in K2 contains 128 slotes that can contain instruments with keyswitchs so you probably can load as much articulation.

One more question if you don't mind: does the sustained strings have vibrato on them or not? Or maybe they do only on the highest velocity?

And one last question, for real this time, are the legato strings loop in VI SE?

Thanks in advance.

I see portato in the product info but i don't see it in the instrument list, am i missing something?

OK I have both Opuse 1 and chamber strings Horizon series. All the strings legatos are not looped so it wouldn't make much sense to buy VI SE if the strings legato were not looped sinse i was planing looping them myself. Could you confirm that the strings legato in VI SE are looped? That would save me a ton of work... They probably are but i need to be sure.

Thank you.

All ensemble strings peformance-legati (chamber and orcherstra) have looped sustains.

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Herb

Any news about the shipping?