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  • Dozenal Tone System & Dichotomy

    For once, let us reduce the question asked by R.K. to:

    "Why are there 12 Semitones in an Octave and other musical mathematics"

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    1.1 Preliminary and some Basics

    The ancient Greeks recorded the first surviving mathematical investigations in the area surrounding the pitches of sound. In the sixth century BCE, Pythagoras of Samos observed and recorded a connection between mathematics and pleasant musical intervals

    Pythagoras
    The agreed method by which Pythagoras discovered the consonant intervals was illustrated by a Roman named Anicius Manlius Saverinus Boethius (480-524 CE) in De Institutione Musica. It should be noted that this story is apocryphal. Nearly a millennium had passed in the times between Pythagoras and Boethius, and the Romans had conquered the Greeks, altering their remaining histories. The legend, as Boethius describes it, is paraphrased as follows: One day while walking by a smithy, Pythagoras heard a melodic series of tones coming from the blows of four smiths. He entered, and after much consideration, he decided the differences in pitch between the workers’ sounds was due to the force of the blows. To support his conjecture, he ordered the men to exchange hammers. Much to his surprise, he found the properties of these melodious sounds did not depend on the force exerted by the men. Instead, a specific pitch seemed to be inherently constant within each hammer.
    Further investigation led Pythagoras to believe the weights of each hammer determined the tone it would produce. Weighing each hammer, he found the weights of all four hammers formed small integer ratios when compared with the heaviest one: 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4. This knowledge of ratios may have led him to later experiment with string lengths.

    Duodecimal
    The duodecimal (also known as base-12 or dozenal) system is a numeral system using twelve as its base. 60 (sexagesimal) is the product of 3, 4, and 5. 3 is a divisor of 12 (duodecimal), 4 is a common divisor of 12 (duodecimal), 5 is a common divisor of 10 (decimal).

    Origin
    Languages in the Nigerian Middle Belt such as Janji, Kahugu, the Nimbia dialect of Gwandara, Mahl language of Minicoy and the Chepang language of Nepal are known to use duodecimal numerals.

    Natural explanations for the choice of the number twelve include the following:
    1) The approximate number of lunar months in an Earth year;
    2) The sum of ten fingers on human hands and two feet; or
    3) The number of phalanx bones in the four fingers of one hand, with the thumb used as an indicator.
    4) In music, the partials of the natural scale.

    Dichotomy and Tetrachord
    A dichotomy is the splitting of a whole into two parts, in music that is a Tetrachord. The condensed meaning, respectively why dozenal and sexagesimal, I will answer in the following chapter "1.2 The Dozenal Tone System".

    Duodecimal fractions are usually simple:
    1/2 = 0.30
    1/3 = 0.20
    1/4 = 0.15
    1/5 = 0.12
    1/6 = 0.10
    1/8 = 0.07:30
    1/9 = 0.06:40
    1/10 = 0.06
    1/12 = 0.05
    1/15 = 0.04
    1/16 = 0.03:45
    1/18 = 0.03:20
    1/20 = 0.03
    1/30 = 0.02
    1/40 = 0.01:30
    1/50 = 0.01:12
    1/1:00 = 0.01 (1/60 in decimal)

    Dozenalism
    The case for the duodecimal system was put forth at length in F. Emerson Andrews' 1935 book New Numbers: How Acceptance of a Duodecimal Base Would Simplify Mathematics. Emerson noted that, due to the prevalence of factors of twelve in many traditional units of weight and measure, many of the computational advantages claimed for the metric system could be realized either by the adoption of ten-based weights and measure or by the adoption of the duodecimal number system.

    to be cont.

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    Read this in the mean time: Why Twelve Tones?
    http://oregonstate.edu/~coolmanr/HS_SeniorProject/Why-Twelve-Tones.html#The%20First%20Scale

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    1.2 The Dozenal Tone System

    The Influence of the Partials on our Dozenal Tone System
    The 12 Semitones in an Octave are derived from the Partials of the Natural Scale. When you transpose the partial of the natural scale to the same octave, respectively make a scale out of the partials, you will obtain an 8-note scale, i.e C D E F# Ab A Bb B.

    The extended duodecimal pythagorean scale with all chromatic notes, derived from the simplest fraction, are the base of all western tone systems:

    Extended duodecimal pythagorean scale:

    Note/Ratio/Fraction

    C = 1.000 = 1/1
    C# = 1.0679 = 2187/2048
    D = 1.1250 = 9/8
    D# = 1.1852 = 32/27
    E = 1.2656 = 81/64
    F = 1.3333 = 4/3
    F# = 1.4238 = 729/512
    G = 1.5000 = 3/2
    Ab = 1.5802 = 128/81
    A = 1.6875 = 27/16
    Bb = 1.7778 = 16/9
    H = 1.8984 = 243/128 (engl. B natural)
    C = 2.0000 = 2/1

    This pythagorean chromatic scale is only playable when staying in one mode, for example a indian raga, or any other modal music who does not modulate to another key, level or root. To play this pure tuning, one would have to tune a piano in the ratios mentioned above, and could only play in one key, for example on the root of C with the extended duodecimal pythagorean scale written above.

    A locical answer to "Why Duodecimal" is, that it is derived from the simplest fraction, which are heard as pure, respectively when chromatically extended heard on a scale from Consonance to Dissonance.

    Is Microtonal also Pythagorean?
    Not all Microtonal systems used for music are based on Pythagorean simplest fraction. A Pythagorean example is the Indian 22 Tone Sytem, which is exactly the Phytagorean System, plus additional Sruti's called Komal-, Kommal+, Tiva-, and Tiva+ notes. This Sruti extensions are also simplest fraction next to the pythagorean scale.

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    @Another User said:

    Why Duodecimal
    The duodecimal (also known as base-12 or dozenal) system is a numeral system using twelve as its base. 60 (sexagesimal) is the product of 3, 4, and 5. 3 is a divisor of 12 (duodecimal), 4 is a common divisor of 12 (duodecimal) and 20 (vigesimal), 5 is a common divisor of 10 (decimal) and 20 (vigesimal).



    Dear Angelo
    I'm not going to name the product derived from this duod. I presume reducing is a minor contrast in projectory. This is a family forum , you know.

    Thank you for the info. you always pull through. So I persume the question still lies, Why twelve ? because it sounds good. And there is a Mathematical explanation. But the one answer that I'm trying to get out of any book that is not documented, is : Freedom. Freedom of the mind. A balanced system of Symmetrical Harmonious Lattices. Why is this not ever documented ? Perhaps its just high school stuff. Maybe I just need to get out more. Forget it, I'm not going out there.

  • Robert,

    My answer was filled in the 2nd post:

    A locical answer to "Why Duodecimal" is, that 12 is derived as the result of simplest fraction which are classified, or heard as pure, respectively when chromatically extended heard on a scale from Consonance to Dissonance.

    You asked why twelve. If you would like to have a less scientific answer, you would have to ask in another way. The preliminary mathematics are from wikipedia, and are somewhat necessary to understand what follows.

    One thing i can add, knowledge of this sort doesn't really help me to compose better. Another thing is also clear to me, there is never a way back to naivity once you educated yourself . I don't have to think in any scientific way to compose, but once in a while it can be very helpful.
    ---> Here chapter 1.3 for the fun of it.

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    1.3 The 12 hours in a watch & The 12 month's of the year

    Most of my dreams seem to start around 02:59. I often wake up at 03:47 after hitting the last note of an idea. When the idea fullfils my expectations, I propose it to myself to be composed tomorrow. If the work has to be a little longer, I indicate a slower tempo. This doesn't mean i dream all music in the same tempo. Popular dreams are most often very short, average around 3m59s.

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  • After posting last night, Early this morning. My radio clock automatically turned on at exactly 12:00 oclock. He He He He

    No Joke - For real.

  • Albert said

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"

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  • Falty Imagination is insanity. Very fine line there. Perhaps Knowledge and Imagination is infinity. And Imagination is more Important. I agree there.

  • Angelo Said

    Faulty imagination is insanity. There is a very fine line there. Perhaps knowledge and Imagination is infinity. And Imagination is more Important.

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