Bruce,

If it's that simple that would make my day....

So maybe the timpani is playing a different note than the unison Brass to achieve an "interval" sound?

So even the low-brass shots at the very end (the pacey ones) are to your ear just single unison notes?

thanx,

SvK

the unison brass are playing a semitone scale phrase the tymps are hard and dissonant there's probably bassses + celli in 5ths there too it goes by so fast it's hard to say exactly what is going on so even with head phones it's more of a percussive effect than anything musical i'm sure you can redo it by experiment! best, bruce

Bruce,

Thanx......I will try this approach tommorow...

I am hearing the pizzi Basses+Celli in 5ths

And am now realising that it IS Unison......

To funny ....harmonics in brass are so powerful....had me thinking clusters hahaha

thanx again,

SvK

svk: wait-- I might be wrong... listened again after posting -on the cans at at a much lower volume and i could hear that the bones are not always playing a unison! there may be a cluster there... don't forget the bass drum too!

Bruce,

I'm so afraid of using "bassy" clusters..........I don't trust my instincts on these...........Are minor 2nd intervals in the low brass fairly common place for these applications?

I know "THERE ARE NO RULES" however, these type of cues are my weak point and rules of thumb would help.

Goldsmith is really a master in this area.........I need to start thinking of these low-parts (stabs) as SFX, rather than musically, I think then my results will be far less "Vanilla"........it's that whole balancing low bassy "discordance" with "musicality" at the top end to keep it all glued together.

thanx,

SvK

Bruce,

The pacey low stabs at end.....

Could it be this?

e + g
d# + f#
d + g
d# + f#

rep

SvK

well the ist 10-15 sec are def. unisons then there is a slight departure from that in the last 8 sec or so of the clip where at least 1 bone is playing a different note where the others are a semitone above. no not normal I wouldn't do it-but this isn't my style perhaps it is a mistake or intended doesn't really matter it is just an effect- the horns and trumpets carry the upper parts just saw a movie 'Firewall' and all I can remember about the music except for the fact that the composer credit was 1/2 a frame so I couldn't actually read the last name was that the whole thing was built on 1 note- 1 note score with underlying percussion and metal guitars- effect city- brass swells- BORING. give me Goldsmith anyday.

e f e

e e/f e

your phrase will sound better

BTW

The clip is Goldsmith's "The Edge"

SvK

SVK
This voicing is derived from the split 9th/13th modal voicings. Take its modal derivative a little further and you get :

Left hand : B F# B
Right Hand : G C# F#

Goldsmith substituted an Eb7 b9th by dropping the left hand 2 steps. My guess is he got this voicing from the intro voicings of Billy Joal's "Don't go changing"

This is the voicings that the idea is culminated from with emotional Brass.
Of-course its from the piano.

There are alot of Modal voicings that can be derived. and at play here.