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  • Orchestral Strings VI- tips on keyswitching using DP?

    How are other users working with the key switching in the Vienna Instruments. I have the Orchestral Strings I, and I can't figure out the best way to use the key switching to change to different string articulations. I've found that using the speed control in the VI, is really unpredictable if I'm working with any more than two articulations .Key-Switching manually on the keyboard works also for only about 2 or 3 different articulations. Should I edit in the key switching in DP after I've played the part using only one articulation. Would I just replace the original part, by editing in the key-switches on certain notes? What would be an efficient way to do this? I know I must be missing some step in the VI in order to accomplish this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Tom

  • I have no problem with key switching in DP. What I do is record a track like Violins 1 with a dozen or so ks's then use split notes to send the lower keys to another track so I can view it in Quickscribe as a bass clef. I don't know what the problem is you're having. Perhaps your ks's have conflicting octaves. Use event chasing notes as well. Not perfect but you can draw your switches longer if need be on a separate track.

  • Bruce,

    Thanks for the tip .I'm assuming that you use all those key switches by doing multiple passes. Do you use thw overdub feature in DP?

    Thanks,

    Tom

  • Tom, overdub is on most of the time in my setup. adding controllers, etc the thing with KS's is to memorize what they do so you can grab what you want in real time. So you always know where the pizzes and legatos are for example and continue in the same manner with other instruments. You are using an 88 note controller right?

  • wolf-- we've chatted a little bit about this on Unicornation, but generally I just play the notes in using one sound in a patch cell. It sounds awful, but I can spend time afterwards considering other samples to be loaded into the matrices, building and refining them as I work through the score. Otherwise, I'd play two notes-- stop, go look for the next sample-- play two more notes, stop, and on and on. At least this way I can enter larger chunks of the score in at once-- which turns out to be the fastest and easiest part of the entire sequencing process.

    There are times while building a matrix where I'll get an entirely new idea for how the matrix should be built-- and I'll rebuild it as necessary as I go-- changing the vertical or horizontal congifuration to best suit the needs of the music. Sometimes I discover after the fact that one patch just doesn't work as well as I'd like-- so I'll either replace it or add another patch to the matrix-- and hence another series of keyswitches to incorporate them on those notes that will benefit from them the most. Of course, I'll save these edited matrices, and most make for great starting points for other projects. It's not a speedy process because there are so many articulations and controller data in combination to bring your score to life, but a routine DOES develop the more you do it, and you get used to the bit of extra time it takes to put an orchestral sequence together. If you consider that using the controllers and keyswitches are really as much a part of the mixing process as it is of the sequencing process, then perhaps the extra time is not as bad as it may seem at first. I do find some aspects of doing a final mix easier with VI because so much has already been done.

    To echo Bruce, overdubbing controller and expression data afterwards is also part of this refining process. If you are using DP5, the track folders will enable you to put different types of controller data on different tracks while keeping your workspace organized. This makes it so much easier to copy/paste/access that info without always having to open the MIDI editor. It also eliminates clutter in the MIDI editor when it is used.

    Because VI is so incredibly controller-dependant, I never use it unless I have a completed score either sketched out or clearly parsed in my head. I just cannot work from scratch with this collection-- too much geek-tech right brain thinking distracting from left brain creativity. Maybe others don't have a problem with this, but it really slows me down to try to do both at once.

  • JWL and Bruce:

    Thanks for your tips. This really helps clarify the process. Bruce- yes, I use an 88 note controller. That really makes a lot of sense to just sketch the score using one string patch, and then go back and tweak it using different key switching.

    Thanks,

    Tom

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    @wolfetho said:

    How are other users working with the key switching in the Vienna Instruments. .... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Tom

    Hi Tom
    That's my way...
    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/tipspcmusic/vibasicpresets/index.php

    all the best
    Beat Kaufmann

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/