Dietz,

An authentic concert pipe organ tone, suitable for use with orchestra in a concert setting. Eric's covered most of the rest, with my added desire for a full chorus effect as he suggested.


There's enough cathedral samples out there.

Regards,

Alex.

The Rieger-Orgel is a concert-organ, and I won't make a church-organ out of it - I promise. [:)]

@Dietz said:

The Rieger-Orgel is a concert-organ, and I won't make a church-organ out of it - I promise. [:)]

Very decent of you Dietz! [:)]

Thank you.

Regards,

Alex.

Hi Dietz,
This is probably obvious too but I'll mention it anyway. I think it's important on the harmonic series type registrations that the octave, quint, ninth, etc. be sampled with those actual ranks playing not just playing the octave of the 8 foot principle diapason because the pipe scale difference changes more than just volume level of the pipe. Slight tuning differences and the timbre of the different scales makes for a subtle but important difference in the sound of the organ.

Can we see a stop list for the instrument so that we can give better input into the choices made? BTW, thanks for taking input on this, it's just another example of how cool VSL is.

I know it may be too late but when miking closer to the playing ranks it doesn't sound weird, it sounds awesome. When you are in the hall, listening to the organ, walk up closer to the playing ranks. You'll hear more detail, dynamics, and the little things that make up the instruments sound like the chuff of the pipe as they come up and just start speaking. I know that you have a lot of mics in the hall, perhaps we can have the option to choose a closer mic position to the speaking rank? (This would also help when I play the VI organ in a hall, less reverb on reverb) Am I beating a dead horse with this? Forgive me if I'm going on too much with this, it's just a passion of mine. Post Instruments actually has seperate samples for the clicks and clacks that the chests make but this misses out totally on the more important chuffs and other wind noise that make a real organ.

Thanks again, I appreiciate what you're doing Dietz.

Eric, the closest microphone-position is the point on stage where the conductor usually stands. This is written in stone, because all recordings are done since autumn [:)]

As far as this sentence is concerned -

@Another User said:

(This would also help when I play the VI organ in a hall, less reverb on reverb)

A good point - but you will see that it has been taken care for this issue.

All the best,

Excellent Dietz, I'm getting more excited.
I think the conductor position is pretty good, it should be very clear there, not buried in the mud of reflections out in the hall. It may even be close enough to create a useful chamber organ sound? I know it's definitely not a chamber organ but if I can cheat, why not?

On the registrations with multiple harmonics pulled, they don't need to be recorded together, in fact I definitely hope as many single ranks where sampled seperately as possible. But what I mean is that some people when creating a registration of say a principle and an octave will just take the octave note from the same rank as the principle. This is very poor because the scale of the octave pipes should be different that the scale of the principle.

When I see the stop list, I can go through and give you a good wish list of registrations. Only one issue though, the combinations for different registrations will on be a rough guess because without hearing the instrument I won't know if the resulting sound will be balanced for a correct voicing. You have to play with this stuff a bit and use your ear but we should be able to get it close enough to provide real flexability for VI.

Did you sample the swell box shutters? If so, on all the ranks in the swell? I don't particularly think this is as important as getting more samples of the ranks but anyway just asking. Thanks

@Another User said:

Did you sample the swell box shutters? If so, on all the ranks in the swell? I don't particularly think this is as important as getting more samples of the ranks but anyway just asking. Thanks

As far as I have got the English nomenclature right --- yes, I sampled the shutter-noises seperatly, too. As well as short and long attacks for differentiation of the reverb-trails. And so on ... [:)]

Thanks for your interest!

[:D] Sorry Dietz, I didn't mean to insult the Holy Hall [:D]
I understand what you're doing. I just normally find samples too wet and I'm always struggling to find drier samples so that I don't get one hall played into another hall. Two halls virtually convolved together makes for a muddy sound. I understand that you will have a method to shut off the tail to solve this and this may do it for me but is it possible to have two mic locations available for VI?? Pretty please? Enough said, I don't want to upset the man who is doing something very cool that I can benefit from. I promise never to mention it again [:)]

Samples of every single pipe [:O] Sweet!!
For the registrations I'd like to just give you my thoughts on combinations based on the stop list. Just suggestions though.

On the swell box I was referring to samples of the pipes taken with different amounts of the swell shutter position, the old school volume control. Again, I don't think this is very important, I can just set the level anywhere I want it.

@ericbrooking said:

[...] On the swell box I was referring to samples of the pipes taken with different amounts of the swell shutter position, the old school volume control. Again, I don't think this is very important, I can just set the level anywhere I want it.

Oh, I see ... the keyword was "swell", not "shutter". Sorry for the confusion.

After an in-depth discussion with the Konzerthaus' specialist for the Rieger-organ, Erwin Bartha, we decided to skip this in favour of more details of the attacks and the releases. Otherwise the recording time (which was already ridiculously exhaustive) would have gotten completely out of hand.

... and please allow for some time until I have the list of stops in a simple text file.

That's great Dietz. I agree completely with you on the swell, good call.
I'll keep my eyes open for the stop list. You can PM it to me. I'm sure you have far better input from Erwin Bartha on what the best registrations are but I enjoy feeling like I have some input [:D]