SIR until MIR?

[Rob Elliott]

For those running PC slaves (with VStack) - Until MIR, what are you using (at the Slave level).

I love the new VI but must say I miss the GS (with GP). I just don't want to buy their VST only to use it for the next while.

I have tried SIR - but on the slaves the latency is just too much [:(] (I don't think VS has 'delay compensation')

Be interested to see what everyone will be using with my similar set-up.


--I could just write with 'dry' samples and mix SIR (for now) once the files are rendered in the DAW - but would rather write with some ambience [[;)]]


Rob

[Dietz]

Voxengo's "PristineSpace" would be a nice (although commercial) alternative. Apart from that I made the experience that the convolution itself is implemented better by PS.

HTH,

[Happy Tree Friend]

@Dietz said:

Voxengo's "PristineSpace" would be a nice (although commercial) alternative. Apart from that I made the experience that the convolution itself is implemented better by PS.

Hi Dietz,
i augment the question of Rob to the mac platform.
Using Logics Spacedesigner i haven't found a _really_ good set of IRs for orchestra yet - even if you use the impulses of highend gear like Lexi, Quantec etc it looses a lot in comparison to that hardware (i made some A:B tests).
so i'd like to ask if you at VSL have some specially approved "tips" for Spacedesigner users or is it more or less a must to buy Altiverb (or another one)?

Greets:
HTF

[Holgmeister]

@Dietz said:

Voxengo's "PristineSpace" would be a nice (although commercial) alternative. HTH,

I second that opinion. I use the whole voxengo convolution package.
I also have the problem, that public IRs from orchestral sites are rare.
Until I know what MIR brings for wonder, I stick with PS and design the rooms with the Impulse modeler that is included in the bundle.
I can design artificial rooms, with walls, reflection etc (any real or unreal size and flavor) and IM will render the Impulse response. Given the price, it is better than renting the Frankfurt Alte Oper and making the IR for every position by yourself.

Problem is indeed positioning: But, Since PS has eight(!) channels per instance, I generate the same room in IM with different Mic positions and link them as IR in the sort of multiple master channel for the instruments (in GS). After that, I run it through the Voxengo EQ.

Yes, it eats up computer ressources, but it is IR, at the end. It is much more moderate than the others and I am enthusiastic about Alexanders plug ins audio quality, which are a gem by itself IMHO. Everything is available as demo, so you can try it anyway. It is worth every penny.

I am also eyeballing MAC with APA and the wave IR plus QClone running on it , but you guess, MIR needs to be looked at first.

[Rob Elliott]

Thanks guys - I have 7-8 Voxengo plugs. Pound for pound, one of the best values out there.

I'll go ahead a pick it up. I assume one lic will allow to run on multiple slaves?


Rob

[JBacal]

You might wish to consider Wizooverb W2. There's a demo you can try. I like the sound.

Best,
Jay

[Dietz]

WizooVerb is said to sound great by people whose ears I trust in (I didn't find the time to try it myself yet); but how I understand it, the concept relies more on a combination of "pure" convolution and synthesized stuff, and is thus not open for 3rd party IRs.

I may be completely wrong, though.

[timkiel]

You can import other IRs into W2...

Of course W5 which is out soon, does it all in surround too.

[Dietz]

Thanks for getting that straight, Timkiel.

[Rob Elliott]

HI there,

As I said, I have a lot of Voxengo plugs so I am sure that PS should be quite good (and get me through the non-MIR times ahead [:'(]


BUT W2 sounds really good as well. I'll try both demos. W2 is about 33% more in cost - just wanted to see from opinions here WHY? That much better?

Any comparison from any here would be helpful of PS and W2.


Rob

[JBacal]

W2 comes with quite a few very nice impulses (concert hall, opera house, philharmonic, recording stage, etc.). There are also tons of digital (non-convolution) presets. And there are some presets that use a combination of convolution and digital algorithms.

Pristine Spaces also sounds nice but does not come bundled with impulses. So if you go this route you will also have to invest in some quality IR's from other sources.

Best,
Jay

[Rob Elliott]

Thanks Jay. I like the way you make your 'string' mixes sound. If there is a little bit of edginess to the VSL strings it seems that the W2 'rounds off' this when needed. Have you done this deliberately? If so, I like the W2 solution.

Rob

[JBacal]

Recently I used Wizooverb's W2 (2 different IR's) on Sarasate's Zapateado and Massenet's Meditation. I used GigaPulse on Prokofiev's 2nd Violin Concerto. I find that W2 can be sweeter and softer on strings than GigaPulse. However, GigaPulse often does a better job (my opinion) on creating depth, and I love that way Gigapulse's large hall IR makes french horns sound.

Hopefully MIR will provide the best of both worlds. I would also love it if AudioEase decided to port Altiverb over to the PC as I'm consistently impressed by the Altiverb sound.

Best,
Jay

[Rob Elliott]

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[JBacal]

Frankly, I was more than a little miffed that Tascam never offered any discount to Gigastudio owners for the VST version of Gigapulse. Baffling really. Maybe someday they will. If you find out, let me know.

--Jay

[DG]

@JBacal said:

Hopefully MIR will provide the best of both worlds. I would also love it if AudioEase decided to port Altiverb over to the PC as I'm consistently impressed by the Altiverb sound.

Best,
Jay

They are, it's just a question of when [:D]

DG

[Christian Marcussen]

and the 'how much' [:)]

[DG]

@Christian Marcussen said:

and the 'how much' [:)]

Well the MAC version is quite cheap, and we all know that MAC users like to spend money, so I'm sure that the PC version will almost be a giveaway [8-)]

DG

[Christian Marcussen]

Ah right - I was referring to MIR [:)]

[DG]

@Christian Marcussen said:

Ah right - I was referring to MIR [:)]

Blimey, you have got money to burn [[:|]]

DG