Personally I'm going with Craig on this one. All else being equal sample-wise in the end the tie breaker is going to be the writing and programming chops.

Guys, i own the same library, and yes it is a different sound, and it is good, but it is the smallest denominator. You can go looking for the holy grail, but the only real place to find it is within.

I'll drink to that.

Take the solo cello example.... thats not just writing chops. Thats an awesome full, warm and expressivesound.

@Rob Elliott said:

You worked with Thomas on Epic Horns and I bet those sales were through the roof!! Develop something like this or even better and it will simply be your biggest selling library to date.

Doesn't Thomas work for EW? If so, that could be a bit of a problem.

Lee Blaske

Hi Rob,

So is are these samples from the East West Sampled Orchestra?

Also, how do the Guitarrian Strings sound in your opinions......

-B

NO...he say 100% custom...... [[:|]]

@dunk187 said:

Hi Rob,

So is are these samples from the East West Sampled Orchestra?

Also, how do the Guitarrian Strings sound in your opinions......

-B

Yes - TJ said 100% custom PLUS his own K2 (scripting). Sounds like that pushed it over the top for Thomas. Sounds like that is the case BUT - take one note of the cello solo and section demos - and Oh that tone [[:|]] [:D]

I have K2 update on its way - time to become a 'tweak head' [:)]

Rob

@dunk187 said:

Hi Rob,

So is are these samples from the East West Sampled Orchestra?

Also, how do the Guitarrian Strings sound in your opinions......

-B

Yes - TJ said 100% custom PLUS his own K2 (scripting). Sounds like that pushed it over the top for Thomas.

Rob

100% custum ? could you tell us more ? did he record himself an entire string orchestra ? that would cost him a lot of money

All I know is taken from this thread


http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=370140#post370140


Rob

thanks Rob, the explanation is here
http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41116&page=6

After intense listening to Thomas J's solo cello with the K2 script on NS I believe that I will need to rethink everything that I thought I knew about sampling and libraries.

Here's another vote for Thomas J.

I hear you Bruce. It does change the way we look at samples and just 'settling' for what is commercially available.

I am not a tweak head - but without this type of sound and control offered from the major developers I may just be motivated to become one.

I think the new VI is working towards this same objective - it is just (in Thomas' demos) the obvious absence of the typcial string sample 'sterile, brittle' sound that is so darn noticable in just about every demo available. I wish I could articulate what it is about this sound other than it is 'alive'.

Herb and co. - I can imagine you have watched this thread and the one on NS. Care to comment? Your impression of what Thomas has been able to achieve with the 'scripting', tone of his samples?

Many thanks.

Rob

Thinking about Herb, it must be difficult to keep a direction without any doubt,
I'm dreaming about an inteligent VSL package that would be light, a few gigs, let say less than 100 gig, that would combine real samples and some script.
Maintaining focused on their goal is the must difficult, there may be a lot of different mind and opinion inside the VSL team, I imagine the reunion at night that are long but so exciting. Those guys are developping our tools and providing us the key to achieve our musical intentions.

@Laurent said:

100% custum ? could you tell us more ? did he record himself an entire string orchestra ? that would cost him a lot of money

Yes its 100% custom, yes and yes.

why does he not sell it? he is just selfish.

..or very smart ..or you're just jealous [:)] (j/k)

being selfish doesn't preclude being smart infact I think it implies he can make more money by having sole access to it.

@magates said:

being selfish doesn't preclude being smart infact I think it implies he can make more money by having sole access to it.

If you read through the thread on NS that started this whole discussion, you'll find, in pieces throughout several of his posts, Thomas' rationale. You can view the thread here: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41116

He even addresses your feeling of his "selfishness," which is an assessment I don't personally echo. Still, give it a read before drawing conclusions.

@magates said:

why does he not sell it? he is just selfish.

How much would you pay? [:D]

You might also find that he has an agreement with the musicians not to make it a commercial product; I certainly do with some of my sounds that I used to use before VSL.

D