Not sure to understand how the new VSL VI pricing works....

[sirbellog]

Well,
after watching the videos, I must say this V.I seems quite exciting with all those new performance tools and higher level of expression...
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What I'm not sure about is, will it be for me someday ?
I'm a "small" user : I own Opus, Chamber and Solo Strings, Woodwind ensembles, Saxophones...
I will probably never invest into the BIG libs, it's beyond my financial capabilities, and anyway a hobbyist like me would have a hard time justifying it even if I could afford it.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong :
I seem to understand that the only way to get this new VI is to buy the $$$$ Cube.....
So, yes, no ???
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If so, it would be very disapointing to see that small but faithful owners will be left away from the new engine possibilities, just because they cannot put out enough money.
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I hope I'm just plain wrong, and that in fact VSL has planned to let any owner access the new V.I, just for the libs this user owns (and for an upgrade fee of course).
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Who can tell what it is really ?
I found the explanations a bit confusing and overwhelming on the site, and I confess I was unable to see clearly the options and policy !
Thanks in advance for calrifying .

[Paul]

Hi,

the Symphonic Cube is divided in 10 volumes, each of which carries a Standard Library (containing both new and old material) and an Extended Library (Both new and old material) and costs between 300 and 500 Euros. If you get a Standard Library, you always get Vienna Instruments with it, and you can test the Extended Library for 30 days and then make your decision.

If you already own a library, e.g. Chamber Strings, you get the Standard Library AND the player for 495 Euros, and upgrade to the Extended Library for 30 Euros (!!!) to download the license, which will double the samples you already have.

You cannot utilize Vienna Instruments with your existing library for many reasons, one of them being that we re-edited quite a lot of samples to work perfectly fine with Vienna Istruments, another one the real time decompression in 24 bit quality, it is also a monolithic file.....

Hope that helps, once the Discount Calculator is up, you can easily calculate your individual pricing.

Best, Paul

[edhamilton]

see if this helps -

You own chamber strings.
There is a chamber strings Vi module in the Cube which you can buy seperately.

There are two parts to each VI - standard sample set and extended sample set.
There are two seperate prices for each.
The standard set is mostly the same as what you already own in your version of chamber strings. The extend set is largly new samples.

The rub is that there is no direct upgrade path to the VI chamber strings from your chamber strings.
Even though chamber strings (your version) and the VI derive from the same samples.

The VIP benefit is that once you buy the VI version - you get to "unlock" the extended samples for a really really small amount.

You can do this for each of the seperate libs you own.
Opus 1 and 2 will likely have less of an upgrade path as there are less samples in those sets.

Hope that helped!

[sirbellog]

thank you people
for your attempts at making a dumb guy understand all those subtleties !
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If I understand well, I'll be able to update at my own pace, with my own priorities, on a lib per lib level if I want,
and only for the libs I own and see fit, right ?
Plus, every lib I already get will be covered with an upgrade path, from Opus to Chamber and Solo strings... ?
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If so, well, yes, it's incentive, even if the price for each upgrade is not just peanuts.

[Paul]

There is no equivalent to OPUS 1, but every product you own will be considered in your pricing. Once you own the Standard Library, you can also update seperated instruments, if you like (extend, e.g., the Solo Flute, but not the Piccolo Flute).

[Rodney_G]

@Paul said:

There is no equivalent to OPUS 1...

But how cool wouldn't it be if there were VI versions of Opus 1 and 2? [:D]

I'm pretty sure it would not only be very popular, but it would also be the perfect introduction for many into the VI line. It bet you would easily sell a whole bunch of those.

Wouldn't it actually make sense? Opus is the less expensive but yet complete "light" version of Pro Edition, but the Symphonic Cube doesn't really have an equivalent? It would be excellent for those who want "a little of everything" and you could of course have standard and extended versions of those as well.

You have other former Horizon products released in VI versions (Solo Strings, Chamber Strings and Harps)...so why not release the Opus line as VI too?

Any future plans for that?

R

[cwillsher]

I've no doubt it will happen Rodney. But that's how these things tend to work isn't it? Release a high value, pro edition, then break it down for the cheaper markets later on. Look at the KORG OASYS! That will no doubt be contained on a miniscule compact flash card for iPod in a few years time [:D]

[tele]

@Paul said:

Hi,

the Symphonic Cube is divided in 10 volumes, each of which carries a Standard Library (containing both new and old material) and an Extended Library (Both new and old material) and costs between 300 and 500 Euros.
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Best, Paul

this is why I thik that going from Chamber Strings(Horizon) to Standard Library VI Chamber Strings is an upgrade or at least a side grade that needs to be offered for a discouted price to the current users.
No need to make us need to decide beween goingall the way and no way
tele

[steff3]

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Once you own the Standard Library, you can also update seperated instruments, if you like (extend, e.g., the Solo Flute, but not the Piccolo Flute).
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Paul,

So I need to get standard and than I can get individual extented instruments? How doe sthe discount apply then? For example - I have VSL Epic Horns, if there is interesting EH content in the extended of Brass II (I think it will be 2) does my discount from Horizon EH fully apply to this upgrade?

Will it be possible at one point to really buy separate instruments - for example only flutes (standard and extended) - expecially for us more non-pro users who want to use great samples anyway (that was the domain of the Horizon I think) this wouldbe really great. With the key it would be possible I think.

Best

[Paul]

Hi,

your assumption with the Epic Horns is correct. A new dicount calculator is in the works and will be online soon.

As for simgle instruments, there are no plans. You get the Standard Library of each volume and that carries all the data for further upgrades.

Best, Paul

[timkiel]

@Another User said:

A new dicount calculator is in the works and will be online soon.

Really? What does this mean? Is it a change to the current VI discount calc or is it simply adding the discounts for the other exisiting products?

[Paul]

It is, as Herb already mentioned, a Discount Calculator that also tells you the upgrade options on single instruments or sections.

[cwillsher]

Also Paul,

Do I get this right? EVERYtime we want to upgrade, even a single instrument within a set, we have to pay the 30 Euro handling fee?

Colin

[Martin]

Discounts for Extended Libraries also apply to the Extension of single instruments. Of course you’ll have to pay for upgrading single instruments, and if you already have the corresponding samples, there’s always a minimum fee, which is a mixture of a handling fee and the discounted price for the samples. There’s no principal additional handling fee of EUR 30 for every time you’re upgrading.
Cheers, Martin