@R.K. said:

The solo strings have major and minor scales in the performance instruments ARTICULATION instruments. Don't tell me those arn't articulation scales, mister!!

Major and minor scales don't have much to do with tunings I am writing about...

http://violinmasterclass.com/intonation_qt.php?video=int_mc3&sctn=Master%20Class

Ok Now I see what you're taliking about temperment. From what i'm getting out of samples are pefect tuning and its a blast to play something thats perfectly in tune alway's. Piano tuners have their own way of tuning, some tune perfect fifth's, some tune prfect fourth's, some care about the thirds as they go up, some don't. I found out that if tuners don't use a tuner machine, then their almost alway's off temperment, but nevertheless can still be in tune. I use an acu tuner for that reason.
I cannot depend on somones ear anymore. Supposedly piano US tune at 440 and europe at 880. That was an old temperment, I don't think europe tunes at 880 any more. But Real players unless they're from LSO or VSO or NYSO or others, they are gonna play slightly out of tune from here to there. Thats why these samples are a blast. I've gotten so spoiled by hearing perfect tuning, I can hear real strings immediately because of their out of tuning. Only the very best stay completely in tune. Isacc stearn could be heard from his slightly out of tune playing. He was an exception. And the only one.

Igrohn
You'l have to excuse me. I'm going to bed right now, been up al-night. I'm an old fart, If I don't go to bed right now I'll get sick. Will pick it back up when I get up again. Please don't hurt anyone, thanks.

@R.K. said:

Supposedly piano US tune at 440 and europe at 880. That was an old temperment, I don't think europe tunes at 880 any more.

[[:|]] No, that's right. We don't play an octave higher anymore... [:D]

480 is it ?
They dont call you mathis for nothing. Somebody is doing the math.

Well, basic tuning history is that it went up and not down. Although there might be idiosynchracies I'm not aware of. 480 would be veeerrrryyyy high, still.

Today's early music interpreters tune their historic instruments to 415hz, which is pretty exactly a semitone down 440hz.
Then there are all kinds of tunings inbetween, I think most prominent around 430hz.

As far as I'm aware most orchestra today tune higher than 440hz. If I rember right I heard of one orchestra tune to 448hz (that might be where your 8 comes from).
Argentinian Tango is 442hz, because the Banodoneons are tuned to 442hz.

That's all I know about the topic.

I found where the 480 comes from.


Some idea of the variance in pitches can be gained by examining old tuning forks, organ pipes and other sources. For example, an English pitchpipe from 1720 plays the A above middle C at 380 Hz, while the organs played by Johann Sebastian Bach in Hamburg, Leipzig and Weimar were pitched at A = 480 Hz, a difference of around four semitones. In other words, the A produced by the 1720 pitchpipe would have been at the same frequency as the F on one of Bach's organs.

I've always heard that growing up. Now its clear where all these differences came from. Jazz musicians in the 70's used to ponder on going to europe where all these differences were. It had a mistique element.

The european symphony orchestras tune to 442 Hz, and all recording on compact disk are on this pitch too. And of course the Konzertflügel in concert hall use is also tuned to 442 Hz. There are maybe some exception, but I never encoutered one.

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My 1928 "SCHMIDT-FLOHR" (the best pianoforte manufacturer on the planet who went out of business in 1975) is at 436 Hz, but that is because she is old and couldn't hold the tuning up to 442 for more then a few hours, especially since I bang on him like a wild chimpanzee sometimes...

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Quick Example of VSL solo string Quartet with Ivory Steinway Piano
(by R.K.)

http://web.mac.com/robsnob/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html