@lgrohn said:

As we know string quartet playing is very demanding and even every cord may long time for experimentation. My question is this:

Do you have any links for String Quartet demos where software instruments are used?

Hi Igrohn
Did you checked it out...
http://www.vsl.co.at/static/horizon_demos/player_ho_solostrings5.html
and
http://www.vsl.co.at/static/horizon_demos/player_ho_maiden.html

Beat Kaufmann

Perhaps this demo of Ravel's quartet would also be of interest to you.

http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3920/4461.vsl

Best,
Jay

@JBacal said:

Perhaps this demo of Ravel's quartet would also be of interest to you.
http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3920/4461.vsl
Best,
Jay

Hi Jay [[;)]]

Sorry that I've forgotten your wonderful played Ravel!

Beat

Thank you for the interesting examples. Nicely realized but I still feel that the vibrato of Ravel's 1st violin was not realistic. Beethoven and Schubert were a liffle bit machine-like. Maybe the problem of not using natural scale?

I totally disagree with this to the point of stating it makes no sense. The vibrato is perfect, the scale is a tempered one and exactly right. String players in a quartet use the tempered scale. The vibrato is based upon the samples, which when used as it is here in the performance instruments sounds great. If you are dissatisfied with the samples, well yes, they do not have all possible levels of vibrato. I guess we may have to wait for a database of maybe a few thousand more terrabytes for that.

The fact is the Ravel sounds better than most live string quartets I've heard. Someone arrogantly looking down on it and the other demos, assuming a position of superiority, is very irritating.

@William said:

the scale is a tempered one and exactly right. String players in a quartet use the tempered scale.

Which one of the many different tempered scales? And no good String quartets don't play according to the notes. One just can't get realistic string quartet music by starting from midi files. And limitations of the sofstware instruments and players make it even worse.

never mind...

There is a huge difference between professional and nonprofessional String Quartets. Its a pity that using ANY software instruments (VLS, EW, Garritan...) at the moment, the technology makes it totally impossible even to try a professional level.

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@William said:

This is a subjective judgement. You are trying to appear objective and scientific but are merely stating an opinion based upon pure subjectivity.

No. It is based on questioning a professional string quartet player.

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I wonder why this subject doesn't interest people. Solving this problem might give huge advantanges for the producers of software instruments.

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/

[:D]

Igrohn

I think the VSL team are on top of this issue, for it is by far the utilization of the 64 bit processor that currently no one is daring to speak of. And VSL has accomodated their version of the new player interface thats yet to be had. Which will in effect provide more for articulation and playing enhancment, and or questions. Of-course that speaks for all music not just string quartets. I'm in the process of taking the current samples through a sensitive mozartariun style. I find that the sensitivity lies in the programs in which you use just as much as the samples that one chooses. Of-course VSL has the market on that issue. One would be surprised also on how a good written piece of music can contributes to the realism factor.

writing and recording sensitive string music in a chaotic, husle bustle pace of a no time instant modern world is very challenging. Its much easier for string players to play notes off a piece of paper. But, if its accomplished, however long it takes, there are rewards, I would imagine.


Best regards
towards your scientific research

@R.K. said:

And VSL has accomodated their version of the new player interface thats yet to be had. Which will in effect provide more for articulation and playing enhancment, and or questions. Of-course that speaks for all music not just string quartets.

I am sure that VSL will do their best on the top level of the art.

But my original claim was that it is not possible to choose e.g when the string instrument play cis or dis. It should be freely selectable for all notes. That is not possible at the moment for any system, not even for VSL. That is the main reason that software instruments can't emulate string quartet playing. Articulation and style matters are, of course, also important but that was not my point this time.

@lgrohn said:

......But my original claim was that it is not possible to choose e.g when the string instrument play cis or dis. It should be freely selectable for all notes. That is not possible at the moment for any system, not even for VSL.

???

what are you talking about?

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It is utterly frustrating. That is exactly right. Now I see from what angle you are suggesting. Of-course playing out streight is not only not possible and true. But at my age also, its the same. That is why, if you really want to emulate music or come close enough, you have to use the score. There is no other way right now. But with all the woodwinds and Pro/ed etc. , you can paint with it. And that is completely new also, and exciting." In the next ten years ", the charts indicate a 100 year advancments, Quote : (" Ray kurtzweil " ).

Am I on the topic this time Igrohn ? or did i miss the point again.

Best

Hows it going angelo

Thierry.ecuvillon sounds like CPE's chello concerto. Sounds promising. he's on the right track.


R.k

@R.K. said:

Hows it going angelo
CPE's chello.
R.k

?????

Hi Robert...

Muck Finnesota vs. Fentucky yells Kuck... or what the hell are you guys talking about?

hehe

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HE HE , thats funny !!


I'm trying to get to Igrohn's point. He's been pushing this issue for a while now.
not sure if its clear yet. It does involve string quartets. Maybe I'll learn somthing.