I'm not following any of this...., but arpeggios are an important tool, of course used moderately.
Guy
Guy
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@mpower88 said:
I'm with Gun on this. I don't think you're a "shit" writer if you use arpeggios.
Miklos.
Lazy bullshit writing - last time I'm going to say it. Arpeggios in a sample library are TOTALLY redundant. How many versions of arpeggios do you think there are? Huh?
Done to death by every classical composer that ever lived and should be consigned to the exercise bin where they belong.
Any split chordal device should be done manually and sample companies have got better things to do with their time - like having lunch or going to the cinema.
Asking for arpeggios in a sample library is really a bridge too far AFAIC.
Bottom line - learn to play.
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But Paul, I just don't see how this is any different from having a bank of scale runs! Since writing is a combination of mainly scales, arpeggios and chords, how's one tool more or less important than another one? Some might use it to write shit music, that I certainly agree with, but what about the ones who wants to use it wisely? I could see this as a very handy tool. I'm a competant pianist and I could play arpeggios easily [H] but I would appreciate the natural legato effect of a recorded arppegio, just as VSL have done with repetition notes.
Guy
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I wasn't saying they should be included in the sample library. I was saying that they are and can be used. What if I want to record a classic peice full of arpeggios using VSL? Would it be relevant to me then. Actually I was thinking more along the lines of including larger intervals in the grace note legato parts if anything. Jeez man you're a bit bombastic if you keep on with that I'll have to get my brother to draw a cartoon of you conducting and post a link... so we can all laugh and be friends again [:O]
Miklos.
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Well, my idea of sampling arpeggios may be for another day. But let's get real here: If there is no major 3rd interval part of the "Grace"how the hell are you suppose to do a major or a minor arpeggio? [*-)] [*-)] [*-)]
And I'm not complaining about it but my original question was: "Are there arpeggios?" Seems then that the answer is closer to "NO".
Guy
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@dpcon said:
Sampling arpeggios would have to be done at just about every tempo under the sun: totally impractical. Use the performance legato instruments or the different length samples depending upon the tempo.
They didn't do the runs in every tempo... did anybody complain?
I'm just saying that doing it by hand is not nearly as effective as sampled arpeggios. Just like the runs, try doing that by hand! I'm talking about the sound of course. 2 tempos would be a start.
Guy
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Scales have been done to death too. Anyone who uses them is guilty of shit writing.
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[[[[:|]]]] "I don't get it!"
[H] "Guy you moron, don't you get it? If you use scales you're writing shit music!"
[[[[:|]]]] "And how about arpeggios?"
[H] "Oh man! than your writing even shittier music!"
[[[[:|]]]] "I guess I'll be the shittiest composer ever."
[H] "You've got that right!"
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And I'm not complaining about it but my original question was: "Are there arpeggios?" Seems then that the answer is closer to "NO".
Guy
No - not quite correct. Your original question finished up with 'that's a problem'.
Guy, I'm beginning to get the impression that after playing 20 questions with you, more and more problems are going to start appearing.
You have to give these things some thought from time to time before engaging your typing finger my dear fellow. Have you any idea, as Dave says, how many tempos alone would be involved - and the number of keys - and the amount of money required just to record it all - violins, violas, cellos, woodwinds etc? And then change it all into samples? And then how many people would actually bother to buy it?
You can play your beloved arpeggios quite comfortably by using the leagto instruments - you won't even need legato to get it right. [:)]
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@Nick Batzdorf said:
Scales have been done to death too. Anyone who uses them is guilty of shit writing.
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Well naturally you would say that my dear old chap! Scales have always been a problem for someone who's main instrument is the....... recorder. [:O]ops: [6] [:D]
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@mpower88 said:
I wasn't saying they should be included in the sample library. I was saying that they are and can be used. What if I want to record a classic peice full of arpeggios using VSL? Would it be relevant to me then. Actually I was thinking more along the lines of including larger intervals in the grace note legato parts if anything. Jeez man you're a bit bombastic if you keep on with that I'll have to get my brother to draw a cartoon of you conducting and post a link... so we can all laugh and be friends again [:O]
Miklos.
Miklos - the only possible response to this is: -
High on hill with a mountain goat - yodle lay - yodle lay- yo ho lay hee ho!
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Guy's point about runs and arpeggios is valid, you can't argue that, what's the different between major and minor arpeggios in all the keys vs major and minor scales in all the keys, all the tempos is not necessary, and if you use melodyne, they're very practical, even if you take sections of the runs/arpeggios, and I read an early post where somebody used melodyne to peice together different runs from different keys and various part of those runs in a preliminary technique to achieve fast string runs aka john williams string runs, plenty of scaled runs there I believe, if he's a shit writer, count me in.
Miklos.
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Miklos, you have helped me quite a bit so far and of course others too, so I occasionally should return something. I happen to do what you dscribed in your last paragraph, and it is highly effective! But it demands great ear cordination, but once you get it... Eventually, I'll put a piece out there. At this moment many of my best demos are held hostage, it's a long story...
Paul,
I invisioned the arpeggios with the same approach. So yes, I do put thought in what I write before letting my fingers go on my type writer keyboard. [[;)]]