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    hello, could some one give a list for each instrument for a complete standard position for a orchestral using direction mixer plug-in in logic?

    for expl: v1=
    v2=


    and should we use "LR" or "ms"


    thank you and best regards

    thierry [:D]
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    Hi. Do you know what ms is? Use LR. MS is something altogther different and will probably give you only one side of the stereo image. It is a system used in recording and playback of recording where, instead of using two microphones to record the left and right of a stereo image, one directional (cardioid) microphone is used along with a figure of 8 mic side on... if anyone is interested, i can elaborate further. For now I will not waste anyone's time. The MS option I think you are referring to enables you to correctly decode a MS recording and is of no use to a VSL user. Stick to LR.

    In terms of your orchestra, it is largely a matter of taste. I generally go v1 L30-45, v2 L15-25 etc. I use woodwind in mono not stereo and then place them accordingly. You can get your own settings by something as simple as looking at a diagram in most music dictionaries or even kids school books. The width of stereo is sometimes dictated by the project itself and the size of band. When I am preparing tracks for a singer, I leave more of a gap in the centre of the stereo image to allow the voice to come over with less competition sonically and in terms of frequency.

    Experiment! Free the mind! Be original! Have fun!
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    [[:D]] thank for your request.

    MS=Middle-Side by opposition of left and right.
    By i don't know which is the recording method by VSL

    For the orchestra, i have the "henry lemoine" map, i have other too but they is not one configuration and heny lemoine is too old i think.
    It is why i am looking for a usual complete orchestra configuration.

    Thank a lot

    thierry [[:D]]
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    I am almost certain that MS was not used by VSL. I use it very occasionally when I am not sure exactly how things are gonna turn out at a live recording and may want to play with the stereo width later on.
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    ok, i have commanded today the g5 2,7.
    Do you know with is the best ram /quality/price?

    And i think i will buy altiverb 5: is it enough or i need to use Direction mixer fist to place the sound on center and after altiverb? [:D]
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    @thierry.ecuvillon said:

    ok, i have commanded today the g5 2,7.
    Do you know with is the best ram /quality/price?

    And i think i will buy altiverb 5: is it enough or i need to use Direction mixer fist to place the sound on center and after altiverb? [:D]


    If you can afford it also - I would recommend getting a Logic Control desk.

    For Ram I use Crucial.com and have never had any trouble with the ram or them - very efficient company.
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    i have logic control but what for the reverb using please? [I]
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    @thierry.ecuvillon said:

    i have logic control but what for the reverb using please? [I]


    Reverb for a Mac- the only one that's really worth considering in terms of total quality in my view is Altiverb 5.

    This is ideal for orchestral placement and sheer depth. Fantastic piece of kit - and has been covered here quite a few times. The Logic Control desk as you will know, makes it easy to apply amounts of reverb required. You will also have the Space Designer reverb included with Logic - this is good, but nowhere near Altiverb 5.
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    ok, thank a lot for the link of crucial.com

    have a nice continue

    best regads

    thierry [:D]
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    Before you spend more money on something you may already own....I am looking into a new way of using Space Designer involving sending from individual instruments on PREFADE aux sends rather than post. This means setting up a bus or aux object with Space Designer operating with no direct signal and full reverb. Thus the balance of dry to wet will depend on each individual instruments fader settings and aux send settings. The room has to be absolutely right, but audition plenty of them and there are some peaches. Try for example Magic voices in Vocal Rooms>Long. The effect of having purely wet reverb sends thanks to the pre fade and not post fade send seems to be that you are not simply adding reverb, but placing the sound back into the reverb. my initial experiments are startling good. BUT THE ROOM HAS TO BE RIGHT!

    By all means buy altiverb, but, personally, having recently slated Space Designer, I am now beginning to love it, AND IT IS INCLUDED WITH LOGIC!
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    i have comanded altiverb but your idea inerest me too and it can be a god way for other project without orchestral configuration.

    i have a link: http://www.mti.dmu.ac.uk/%7Eahugill/manual/seating.html [[[:D]]] [[[:D]]] [[[:D]]]
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    Yeah I'm with rawmusic there. I find that Space Designer i a very fine reverb unit, with all the bell and whistles that go with. The only problem I find with SD i that I don't yet know how to use it to it's fullest.

    It has a wealth of convulsions already in it, and you can add your own. I have certainly had none of the mono/stereo problems that people have been concerned of in the past. Brilliant unit, and as rawmusic pointed out .. it comes with ;D Even better.

    Though Sculpture is also turning my head reecently. Brilliant littlet hing. I used to really hate synth generators ... more on the basis that all they could do was make bass tones (Yawn ywan, boring). But Sculpture does loads of cool things, and has again a vast preset library.

    If only they could make the midi editing exactly the same as in cubase. My only gripe with logic now is that you can't highlight several parts and then click on them to reveal only their midi.

    Well there you go.

    Hetoreyn
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    perharp will i use altiverb for the first reflexion and to place the instruments and will i put space designer on the master mixdown .i don't know yet.
    i will try. [:D]