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  • Newb. Duality Strings Question

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    I have not purchased any string VI library yet, and will be a total newb. I am considering Duality std as my first. I have searched online a bit but can't find direct answers. My question is concerning the panning potentials. I know the common stage seating positions of each string instruments when recording is done, but can it be panned different from as recorded without detriment?

    I don't really like the sound of classical seating with the Bass and Cello on the right, the low tones panned right of center seems lopsided to me. My ideal that I would prefer is Bass and or Cello centered with Viola to either side of those, the violins to the outside of those V1 Left and V2 Right perhaps.

    Now this isn't set in stone, but just an idea I want to explore. Is it possible to do with the Library? and if so,are there any pitfalls or loss of quality if doing so? Thx.
  • rACR
    rACR

    How about asking for a demo licence and trying for yourself?

    Just a beginner
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    @rAC said:

    How about asking for a demo licence and trying for yourself?

    Well being a newb, I prefer not to make any incorrect assessments based on inexperience. I prefer not to think it can, when it really can't and then perhaps be past any return date. I mean in the end its probably not a deal breaker, but I am shopping after all. Thx tho, I was aware of there gracious product return policy.
  • rACR
    rACR

    Well between a Demo licence (30 Days) and VSL’s purchase policy (14 day return) you get a good length of time to decide.

    Just a beginner
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    @rAC said:

    Well between a Demo licence (30 Days) and VSL’s purchase policy (14 day return) you get a good length of time to decide.

    You don't seem to understand my question, if it was just about trying something and trusting my call, I would do it. Thx tho
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    duality strings is 2 orchestras recorded on the same time, room A and room B , and have exactly your sound , cinematic one , at list that's what you looking for from your question. basses and celos in the middle ( as far as I know zimmer strings have that combo ). you can make it happen , duality have lots of mics being used , near one on sychron stage plus the dry one on studio B. once you break the rules on orchestral position , there are no more rules on the sound. I did try to change positions and as far as I can hear , every thing sounds good, even with ambient mics, if that was your real question. I hope I did understand you well

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    @ilirjan said:

    duality strings is 2 orchestras recorded on the same time, room A and room B , and have exactly your sound , cinematic one , at list that's what you looking for from your question. basses and celos in the middle ( as far as I know zimmer strings have that combo ). you can make it happen , duality have lots of mics being used , near one on sychron stage plus the dry one on studio B. once you break the rules on orchestral position , there are no more rules on the sound. I did try to change positions and as far as I can hear , every thing sounds good, even with ambient mics, if that was your real question. I hope I did understand you well

    Yes, the ability to change positions from that of the recorded positions without detriment. In the end, I would assume getting any string instrument in duality to be in stereo, but sitting in the middle of the stereo image, would be all that is needed. Then panning and placement in like Mir 3D would be doable without detriment, but this was an assumption and the reason for the post...Thx
  • Andreas8420A
    VSL Team
    Andreas8420A

    Hi!

    In short, yes, you can do that inside the Synchron Player. You could use the panning on the master channel strip to move the basses and cellos into the middle. Just a warning: Our mixes (including every mic position) are meticulously adjusted for the seating. So, you might have to balance and re-adjust specific parameters reflecting your "new seating."

    One more note: Synchron Libraries are not meant to be placed inside MIR Pro 3D. Makes no sense. MIR uses dry, close-up stereo signals (like the Studio Series).

    VSL Team | Product Specialist & Media Editing
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    @Andreas8420 said:

    Hi!

    In short, yes, you can do that inside the Synchron Player. You could use the panning on the master channel strip to move the basses and cellos into the middle. Just a warning: Our mixes (including every mic position) are meticulously adjusted for the seating. So, you might have to balance and re-adjust specific parameters reflecting your "new seating."

    One more note: Synchron Libraries are not meant to be placed inside MIR Pro 3D. Makes no sense. MIR uses dry, close-up stereo signals (like the Studio Series).

    Yes, was just reading about that last night on VI, I think, about the MIR usage with Synchron. Thanks for explaining, and confirming, the process for moving Bass or Cello is possible and acceptable from the means of its original recording and the player process involved.
  • Beat KaufmannB
    Beat KaufmannB

    Hello 280638
    The individual instruments or ensembles (violin) are recorded with different microphones. For example: ‘Close’, ‘Mid’, ‘Decca’ or many more. All these microphone channels contain a panner. VSL provides various presets in which the respective panners of all microphone signals are matched to each other in such a way that the classic set-up is created at the end.
    VSL is known for its great flexibility. If you want the 2nd violin on the right, for example, you either turn the respective panners to the other side, or you add a channel inverse effect to the output channel of the second violin (still in the SYNCHRON player) and the 2nd violin plays on the right.
    If you want a completely neutral starting position instead of a VSL preset, you can also select the ‘DEFAULT’ preset, which gives you the respective instrument without any effect or panning. This allows you to set any desired sound at any position in the room from scratch. So you have every possibility.
    Here is a video showing the panning in the SYNCHRON player. This will give you an idea of how it works. It's best to get a licence to try out the Duality strings.

    And here is a video about the possibilities of the Duality Strings. I can only recommend them.

    I wish you a lot of success.

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    @Beat-Kaufmann said:

    Hello 280638
    The individual instruments or ensembles (violin) are recorded with different microphones. For example: ‘Close’, ‘Mid’, ‘Decca’ or many more. All these microphone channels contain a panner. VSL provides various presets in which the respective panners of all microphone signals are matched to each other in such a way that the classic set-up is created at the end.
    VSL is known for its great flexibility. If you want the 2nd violin on the right, for example, you either turn the respective panners to the other side, or you add a channel inverse effect to the output channel of the second violin (still in the SYNCHRON player) and the 2nd violin plays on the right.
    If you want a completely neutral starting position instead of a VSL preset, you can also select the ‘DEFAULT’ preset, which gives you the respective instrument without any effect or panning. This allows you to set any desired sound at any position in the room from scratch. So you have every possibility.
    Here is a video showing the panning in the SYNCHRON player. This will give you an idea of how it works. It's best to get a licence to try out the Duality strings.


    And here is a video about the possibilities of the Duality Strings. I can only recommend them.


    I wish you a lot of success.


    Beat

    Thank You Sir