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  • MIR PRO 3D Future suggestion

    I know the focus for the company is very heavily on the Synchron series itself, which already have their “room sound” baked into the samples.

    I do still think there is a very strong market for The software. There are many Reverb plug-ins/Software, But I don’t think many of them really come close to the accuracy and authenticity that VSL Has done with MIR PRO 3D.

    If there is any future development for MIR PRO 3D, It would be Great to see;

    • Multiple microphones - currently, there is a main mic and the option to use a secondary mic. It would be great if we could implement up to, let’s say 8 different mics That could be placed in various locations of your choosing. This would emulate what the Synchron series does with their multiple microphone set up in the mixer tab. One program that does this fairly successfully is Pianteque; In their mixed tab, you can Add up to five different microphones and place them in various different positions around the piano to get a very different sound and you can control the level of each microphone to customize your sound. I do 100% realize, that's not exactly The point of MIR PRO 3D, As it is supposed to be how the sound would be with instruments in a specific configuration being heard from a specific point. It would just be a very nice feature if it was at all possible. With that, you could then record an entire orchestra with a “deca tree” setup, but also place solo mics on a piano for a piano concerto to better isolate that instrument. And all of this could be done in one instance of MIR PRO 3D, rather than separate instances of MIR PRO 3D.
    • additional rooms - Specifically hoping for Synchron stage B. I know it’s an incredibly small space but there still is a “room” sound, Even if it is very little. Several pianos were recorded from that room, And it would be great to be able to place some of the “studio instruments” Right next to it for say a sonata for cello and piano. Four pieces that you don’t necessarily want a huge scoring stage sound but a more intimate setting and you still want that slight “room” noise. This is actually the reason why I’m really excited for the next Steinway piano that is going to be recorded in that room that Herb announced on his last interview. It will be nice to have a full-size concert grand but recorded in a very small intimate space (A big full sound from a full-size concert grand without Too much “room”). Obviously, there are other venues that would be great to see added on here; Abbi Road studio, Carnegie Hall, Just to name a couple ;)

    again, I realize this isn’t necessarily the focus of the company more of a dream/wish list that hopefully someday will come to fruition. I realize that the Synchron series is the future and the focus. But the studio instruments have so much life left in them, and the software allows you to combine Third-party sounds/your own live recordings To be able to match the sound for a cohesive recording. Hopefully this is not a software that gets forgotten about.


  • Hi KevPo,

    thanks for your enthusiastic feedback on MIR 3D. Rest assured that I have not forgotten about it! 😉

    @KevPo said:
    Multiple microphones

    This idea pops up every now and then ever since the basic concept of MIR took shape about 20 years ago. 😊 In fact, there were even prototypes trying to incorporate a Decca Tree-like setup into the existing design. To make a long story short: You can't have MIR's malleability with six degrees of freedom for both the source and the listener with a clunky, monolithic multi-mic setup. While this could work to some extent for the wet signal component, there is no convincing method for the free placement of the direct signal, let alone for the user-defined selection of output formats, and so on.

    MIR's whole signal path relies on Ambisonics for a good reason. 😉 As some of the more recent epigonal products from other manufacturers show, you can get away with fixed "everything", i.e. fixed source positions, fixed output etc., and we might even see more of these coarsely simplified approaches in the future, but MIR itself will (have to) stick to its underlying principles.

    @KevPo said:
    additional rooms - Specifically hoping for Synchron stage B.

    Yes, this would be an obvious addition to MIR 3D, but for some reason this idea has not found much support within the company so far. 😕

    @KevPo said:
    Obviously, there are other venues that would be great to see added on here; Abbi Road studio, Carnegie Hall, Just to name a couple ;)

    No doubt about that, and it's no secret that we have tried to convince the Powers That Be in quite a few of these spaces to let us capture impulse responses there. However, many of them are reluctant to let us do so - much like people in former days were anxious that photographs would "take away their soul". ;-D

    If you happen to know relevant personnel in a great concert or scoring stage, don't hesitate to let us know! In fact, several MIR Venues only became a reality because fellow MIR users put us in touch with them.

    But in any case: Thanks for sharing your ideas! You know - never say never.

    Enjoy MIR 3D!


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Thank you so much for your thorough response Dietz! So much appreciated!

    Im very much looking forward to the future of MIR and seeing what may come next! Maybe some day we will see 4th order ambisonics.


  • You're welcome!

    @KevPo said:
    Maybe some day we will see 4th order ambisonics.

    Quite honestly - I don't think so. During our tests with VSL's academic development partner, the Institute for Electronic Music at the University of Graz we found out that in comparison to plain 1st Order Ambisonics the sweet spot between acoustic improvement and computational "cost" is 3rd Order: This means that MIR already has to convolve 16 x 8 x 2 = 256 impulse responses for a single stereo source. The 25 channels needed for 4th Order would raise this number to 400. Consequently, a typical arrangement with 50 to 60 instruments would need 24,000 convolutions in real-time, or at least with low latency ... 8-/

    Of course, MIR has a lots of tricks up its sleeves to minimise the number of actually necessary convolutions (e.g. by means of its unique, Output Format-dependent positional pre-rendering of IRs), but these numbers would tax the CPU/GPU and RAM significantly, even in recent machines.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Good to know! Thanks again for your detailed response. I always appreciate the VSL teams responses being so quick, detailed, and educational.

    As a slight side note, the vast majority of my library consists of VSL content (I have all VSL software, all VI instruments and their “synchronized/studio” counterpart, all Big Bang Orchestra packs, and every single Synchron library instrument with the exception of two of the “studio” pianos. In addition to VSL truly being the most DETAILED sample library on the market, you also provide the best customer/user service and additional tools to support the use of your product. While I do continue to be a loyal user for because of the quality of content, the service provided by the company keeps me coming back!


  • It's weird that Herb and other people don't want to create a Synchron Stage B Roompack. You have this venue at your disposal and there is no need to ask for permission.