VI Pro String Note Duration Changes Are Changing Playback Volumes

[jdw]

Hi All,

I am using VI SE Strings (in VE Pro), and lately have been encountering problems.

I Am Pretty Sure VI Pro String Note Duration Changes Should Not Change Playback Volumes At Moderate Tempos (Under 100 bpm).

However, when my notation changes (e.g., 1/2 notes to 1/4 to 1/8ths), the volume declines perceptibly, even with no assigned Expressions or Articulations.

I am having to forgo some Expressions, Articulations, Keyswitch Changes to avoid making the Playback problem worse.

The problem seems to have become more obvious in the past year. So I am wondering if I have inadvertently changed some setting, or whether VSL has made update changes, that would affect Playback.

Clearing Midi Data Does Not Help.

I don't know how to reset my VSL to Default Settings, but imagine that would never be recommended anyway.

Is there a Humanize Preset or Other Setting that would reduce or eliminate this problem ???

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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[jdw]

PS This problem occurs even when using the basic SUS Articulation

[Cyril Blanc]

A well know problem that VSL won't fix, they say to use the Synchronise lib

[jdw]

@Cyril-Blanc said:

A well know problem that VSL won't fix, they say to use the Synchronise lib

Thank you very much for your informative answer, Cyril ... you have helped me put a significant limit on the time I will spend on this issue. Everything seems to point to a questionable future for Vienna Instruments and Vienna Ensemble Pro.

[mducharme]

Questionable future for Vienna Ensemble Pro? Hardly, tons of people use it. It's easily VSL's most popular product. I know lots of people who use it who don't own a single VSL library. VE Pro is not going anywhere.

Vienna Instruments though is much more niche, but they did fairly recently get it working natively with ARM-based Macs without Rosetta, which gave it a new lease on life.

I don't have the library in question, but my guess is that probably these issues can only be fixed with a fairly major re-edit of the sample set, which was already done for Synchron-ized and so they don't wan to have to redo it for VI series too.

[Cyril Blanc]

The solution given by VSL is to add a sustain pedal to the violin ! VERY GOOD JOKE

[Ben]

@Cyril-Blanc said:
The solution given by VSL is to add a sustain pedal to the violin ! VERY GOOD JOKE

Not a joke, this the correct legato rebowing without having to find the perfect MIDI-Off + MIDI-ON timings.

[mducharme]

@Cyril-Blanc said:

The solution given by VSL is to add a sustain pedal to the violin ! VERY GOOD JOKE

I don't know why you keep complaining over and over about the sustain pedal being used to trigger rebowing when it has become the standard rebowing trigger in all string libraries. You'd be hard pressed to find string libraries from other vendors that don't use the sustain pedal for this rebowing. This includes:

• Cinematic Studio Strings
• Pacific Strings
• Tokyo Scoring Strings

It has gotten so common and expected for modern string libraries to use sustain pedal to trigger rebowing on the same note that when a string library comes out that doesn't do that, people complain.

But according to you, when everybody else does it because it's an industry standard, it's great, but when VSL does the same thing, it's a big "HAHA" joke. Do I have that right?

You really should be writing all of the other string library vendors out there also telling them that they are really stupid and terrible by using the sustain pedal for rebowing.

[jdw]

I am confused ... I am using Vienna Instruments Pro Instances in Vienna Ensemble Pro Server.

Is it the Synchronized Player or Synchronized Instrument Libraries that correct this problem ???

Can I use my Vienna Instrument Libraries in the Synchron Player OR

Do I need to buy Synchronized Versions of my Vienna Instrument Libraries ???

Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.

Webs

[jdw]

PS I have asked VSL about this issue , but have not received a reply

[mducharme]

@jdw said:

I am confused ... I am using Vienna Instruments Pro Instances in Vienna Ensemble Pro Server.

Is it the Synchronized Player or Synchronized Instrument Libraries that correct this problem ???

Can I use my Vienna Instrument Libraries in the Synchron Player OR

Do I need to buy Synchronized Versions of my Vienna Instrument Libraries ???

Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.

Webs

If it is fixed in the Synchron-ized version and you want the fix, you'll have to buy the Synchron-ized version, but it shouldn't be that expensive (you get a huge discount by owning the VI library).

[jdw]

@jdw said:

PS I have asked VSL about this issue , but have not received a reply

Still awaiting a reply from Vienna ... and no new responses on Forum, so I'm really stuck here.

Best thoughts to date are from Cyril Blanc and mducharme ... thanks again, guys 😄

I have the Synchronized Special Editions but have not installed them, because my storage is getting full. And I am reluctant to remove all my VI Special Editions, because I have been using them for everything for years. I don't remember having these VI playback issues in past years.

HELP, Vienna ... what's going on ????

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[Cyril Blanc]

@mducharme
If VSL has fixed the problem with the Synchron-ize solo strings this mean that they recognise that there is a problem with the VI version

Please be less agressive !

Free BBC does not have the problem

@mducharme said:

@Cyril-Blanc said:

The solution given by VSL is to add a sustain pedal to the violin ! VERY GOOD JOKE

I don't know why you keep complaining over and over about the sustain pedal being used to trigger rebowing when it has become the standard rebowing trigger in all string libraries. You'd be hard pressed to find string libraries from other vendors that don't use the sustain pedal for this rebowing. This includes:

• Cinematic Studio Strings

• Pacific Strings

• Tokyo Scoring Strings

It has gotten so common and expected for modern string libraries to use sustain pedal to trigger rebowing on the same note that when a string library comes out that doesn't do that, people complain.

But according to you, when everybody else does it because it's an industry standard, it's great, but when VSL does the same thing, it's a big "HAHA" joke. Do I have that right?

You really should be writing all of the other string library vendors out there also telling them that they are really stupid and terrible by using the sustain pedal for rebowing.

[mducharme]

You're assuming it's a problem when it is by design. Bugs are different from missing features.

Synchron Player is newer and has new capabilities that VI player did not have. It might not even be possible to make this enhancement in the VI player without actually rewriting part of the VI player itself. You are expecting/demanding that they potentially spend months of work updating the version 1 of their product (VI player) when the current version 2 (Synchron-ized) doesn't have this issue.

The VI player versions are pretty much on life support at this point - they are still sold and they still work, but you can't expect new features added to them.

It would be like if I complained to Honda that my 2005 model Honda Accord car didn't have a feature that the new 2014 Accord does (say a backup camera), and demand that they add it to my Accord because obviously it is a "bug" in my Accord.

[jdw]

Thank you for your responses, mducharm and Cyril Blanc.

I have no expectation or demands that VSL do anything that I want ... I am nowhere near the level of most Vienna users, and would never suggest any changes to their products.

I am simply trying to determine what I should do about my technical question ... please re-read my original question. It is the same as the request I sent to VSL.

Now you have me wondering if my question may have inadvertently offended someone ... I certainly hope not ... over the past many years, I have posted many thank-you's for their marvelous products and superior customer service.

And I have invested a lot of time and money over many years because of my admiration for VSL.

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[mducharme]

jdw - I was responding to Cyril there, not you. I was wanting to quote Cyril's post but they seem to have changed the quote mechanism on here so that you have to quote the entire thing. You didn't say anything wrong.

[jdw]

@mducharme said:

jdw - I was responding to Cyril there, not you. I was wanting to quote Cyril's post but they seem to have changed the quote mechanism on here so that you have to quote the entire thing. You didn't say anything wrong.

Thank you for that reassurance mducharm 😄

But I must have offended someone, or I would have received some response by now ... it usually takes only a day to two.

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[mducharme]

@jdw said:

@mducharme said:

jdw - I was responding to Cyril there, not you. I was wanting to quote Cyril's post but they seem to have changed the quote mechanism on here so that you have to quote the entire thing. You didn't say anything wrong.

Thank you for that reassurance mducharm 😄

But I must have offended someone, or I would have received some response by now ... it usually takes only a day to two.

webs

Well from my part there is a bit of confusion when you say "notation", which makes it hard to address your question. Most people are working in a DAW where there is no notation and you have rectangles representing notes on a piano roll. So it is unclear whether you are working in a DAW or notation software. In notation software there is the possibility of the notation software choosing a different articulation based on specific rules which could cause a different effect. In a DAW this would not happen - if there was an articulation change via keyswitch you would have to trigger that yourself and should therefore know it is being changed.

If you are running that low on space that you can't install the Synchron-ized version, it is probably a sign that you should look at adding another SSD drive to your system.

[Cyril Blanc]

This post is deleted!

[jdw]

I apologize for tying you up with my issues, mducharm. I'm sure you have more important things to do ... but thank you very much.

Yes ... I should have indicated from the beginning that I am scoring in Finale V26 notation software (though I do use Cubase 10.5, from time to time).

All of my "installed products" are installed on my internal hard drive. I have never been sure about the adequacy of an external drive's response time.

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