Hi, as a Synchron String Pro owner i wonder if the Duality Strings have a better sound or not. I know the Pro does not have the small setup but I am not sure if I am smart enough to benefit from the Duality

@Sakamoto said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317024):

Hi, as a Synchron String Pro owner i wonder if the Duality Strings have a better sound or not. I know the Pro does not have the small setup but I am not sure if I am smart enough to benefit from the Duality

Hi,

imho. and to my ears, Yes. I think I hear an improved timbre, and character, also flow in the legatos in this new Duality Strings Library, compared to Synch. Str Pro, and Synch. Strs 1. I also hear more of a natural release when listening to some of the videos/demos of Duality Strings. It just sounds more musical-expressive-and-natural compared to the other libraries they released. 

One thing that I sensed is that the Duality concept / recording techniques used are maybe different to their other libraries, their recording engineer would surely know exactly what he did differently in this sampling session for Duality Strings, I also feel that the VSL team is also very excited, and pleased with the improvements this new Duality Technique has given their strings line, they surely hear the improvements, therefore decided to move forward with more specialized Duality Strings i.e. Sords, Sul-Pont, ..etc. Which are major projects, they would have not bothered with if they felt they are not getting better, and more musical results from the Duality Strings experiment. 

Oh.. and I have decided to purchase Duality Strings Full version before July 31st. 

Just my 2Cents on this topic. I hope I was a bit helpful. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Why three dynamic layers only, also for shorts?

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317036):

Why three dynamic layers only, also for shorts?

I don't see this info. on the product pages. Where did you see that the shorts are limited to three dynamic layers in Duality Strings ? 

I think the most dynamic layers for shorts is between 8 and 10 velocity layers they recorded for Synchron Strings 1 . imho. That's the best part of that library. 

It would be helpful to know how many dynamic/velocity layers were sampled for Duality Strings Short articulations. Hopefully more than 3. 

Paul wrote the first page of this thread that they recorded 3 velocities for all articulations, which unfortunately seems very limited to me.

@muziksculp said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317037):

I don't see this info. on the product pages. Where did you see that the shorts are limited to three dynamic layers in Duality Strings ? 

Here is the post regarding the velocity layers:

@Paul said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/316870):

@FPaolo: We have recorded 3 velocities for all main articulations (shorts, longs, all legatos, portamentos, tremolos). 

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317039):

Here is the post regarding the velocity layers:

@Paul said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/316870):

@FPaolo: We have recorded 3 velocities for all main articulations (shorts, longs, all legatos, portamentos, tremolos). 

Oh.. I see. Thanks. 

I wonder why they limited the shorts to 3 dynamics ?  Maybe Paul can chime in on this detail, and what is the general opinion on the shorts quality given they are limited to 3 dynamics ?  I like what I hear, but maybe more demos that focus on exposing the shorts only would be helpful in evaluating this important detail. 

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down :(

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317042):

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down :(

Hello Lupine
Hello to all those who are still undecided about taking advantage of the offer until the end of July.

I am currently working on a demo that will show the sound and its possibilities of this new library in detail. Here is a small preview - at least audio-wise.

The examples are all without presets, but all as the libraries were originally recorded. There is no better way to judge the library and its sound. Have fun so far.

You ask about the number of layers. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, but from the sound point of view this question doesn't arise. It simply sounds natural from soft to loud, without any gradations as with earlier libraries. Especially in combination with the Timbre Controller (CC08) you can support the sound as it suits you.

As far as runs are concerned, the Legati are so great that you can write out a run and it actually sounds the same as the runs that are stored as a whole. So it doesn't bother me that there are only major runs.

During the production of the demo, I never had the feeling that I could not realise one of my ideas. With earlier libraries, there were often limitations that made a necessary game form simply not possible. Of course, you have to have a certain dexterity and know the sound possibilities of the library well in order to get a real playing result.

See you later - when the demo and the video are ready.
Beat

@Beat Kaufmann said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317054):

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317042):

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down :(

Hello Lupine
Hello to all those who are still undecided about taking advantage of the offer until the end of July.

I am currently working on a demo that will show the sound and its possibilities of this new library in detail. Here is a small preview - at least audio-wise.

The examples are all without presets, but all as the libraries were originally recorded. There is no better way to judge the library and its sound. Have fun so far.

You ask about the number of layers. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, but from the sound point of view this question doesn't arise. It simply sounds natural from soft to loud, without any gradations as with earlier libraries. Especially in combination with the Timbre Controller (CC08) you can support the sound as it suits you.

As far as runs are concerned, the Legati are so great that you can write out a run and it actually sounds the same as the runs that are stored as a whole. So it doesn't bother me that there are only major runs.

During the production of the demo, I never had the feeling that I could not realise one of my ideas. With earlier libraries, there were often limitations that made a necessary game form simply not possible. Of course, you have to have a certain dexterity and know the sound possibilities of the library well in order to get a real playing result.

See you later - when the demo and the video are ready.
Beat

Hi Beat,

I'm looking forward to your  VSL Synch. Duality Strings Tutorial, and the delicate strings serenade music of Tchaikovsky, I noticed violin players using a mute on their instruments, so this piece might even be better to emulate with the upcoming Sordino version of Duality Strings. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Thanks for the feedback on the short articulations. 

Hi everybody,

You will want to check out our Synchron Duality Strings Contest with Guy Bacos!

Best,
Paul

@Beat Kaufmann said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317054):

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317042):

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down :(

Hello Lupine
Hello to all those who are still undecided about taking advantage of the offer until the end of July.

I am currently working on a demo that will show the sound and its possibilities of this new library in detail. Here is a small preview - at least audio-wise.

The examples are all without presets, but all as the libraries were originally recorded. There is no better way to judge the library and its sound. Have fun so far.

You ask about the number of layers. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, but from the sound point of view this question doesn't arise. It simply sounds natural from soft to loud, without any gradations as with earlier libraries. Especially in combination with the Timbre Controller (CC08) you can support the sound as it suits you.

As far as runs are concerned, the Legati are so great that you can write out a run and it actually sounds the same as the runs that are stored as a whole. So it doesn't bother me that there are only major runs.

During the production of the demo, I never had the feeling that I could not realise one of my ideas. With earlier libraries, there were often limitations that made a necessary game form simply not possible. Of course, you have to have a certain dexterity and know the sound possibilities of the library well in order to get a real playing result.

See you later - when the demo and the video are ready.
Beat

Hello Beat,

thank you your kind feedback on the library, very appreciated.
I am looking forward to your demo and video.

If we do a trial of the Duality Strings and decide not to purchase (at least for now), are we able to uninstall the library from the hard drive on our M1 Apple mini so we are not using up valuable space for something we aren't using? Are related instructions clearly printed out somewhere?

Hi Mike 999, 

Sure, you can delete the data. Simply click UNINSTALL in your Vienna Assistant and you're done. 

Best,
Paul

Thank you. One of the things I really like about VSL is the clear, logical layout and controls that accommodate new users.

Mike

Is there anywhere posted a chart showing which velocity # equates with which dynamic layer for any of the Synchron libraries?

Thank you

Hi @cinematicpop

There is no such chart. But think about fading between our dynamic layers the same way you think of musical terms.

Lowest dynamic = piano pianissimo (ppp)

Medium dynamics = mezzio piano & mezzo forte (mp & mf)

Loudest dynamic = forte fortissimo (fff)

It is best to tackle this with common & musical sense & feeling.

Best, Andreas

@Beat-Kaufmann said:

@lupine said in [NEW: SYNCHRON DUALITY STRINGS](/post/317042):

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down 😞

Hello Lupine
Hello to all those who are still undecided about taking advantage of the offer until the end of July.

I am currently working on a demo that will show the sound and its possibilities of this new library in detail. Here is a small preview - at least audio-wise.

The examples are all without presets, but all as the libraries were originally recorded. There is no better way to judge the library and its sound. Have fun so far.

You ask about the number of layers. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, but from the sound point of view this question doesn't arise. It simply sounds natural from soft to loud, without any gradations as with earlier libraries. Especially in combination with the Timbre Controller (CC08) you can support the sound as it suits you.

As far as runs are concerned, the Legati are so great that you can write out a run and it actually sounds the same as the runs that are stored as a whole. So it doesn't bother me that there are only major runs.

During the production of the demo, I never had the feeling that I could not realise one of my ideas. With earlier libraries, there were often limitations that made a necessary game form simply not possible. Of course, you have to have a certain dexterity and know the sound possibilities of the library well in order to get a real playing result.

See you later - when the demo and the video are ready.
Beat

Here is the final version of the video, mentioned above.

It is a video that generally explains how to make music with VSL samples. It highlights the Duality strings in particular, because strings are used in almost all major productions.
The video touches on all the important points for achieving a musical result. Of course, the individual steps and measures usually only show one of several possible approaches.

Have fun

Beat