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  • Pop/Ballad Mix and Distance Dependent Scaling

    T
    T

    Hi guys, 

    I do Ballad Mixing only. Just curious do you guys use Distance Dependent Scaling for pop/ballad mix or do you guys usually turn it off? 

    I tried to turn it off and then I position two instruments, one forward and one backward. Adjusting global wet/dry to  -30% I honestly hear some, but little changes between the forward and the back instrument. I placed the global wet so low because I need to add color reverbs later and hence I don't want this spatial reverb to be overwhelming. However I need my instruments to be distanced layered, nothing fanciful, it is a physic thing.  

    However as I said, with direction scaling off, it becomes quite hard to tell who is in front and who is behind. Yes I know I can always use the fader, that will defeat the point of using Mirpro, I believe. So I am curious, why is it recommended within this forum for distance scaling to be turned off? 

    With it off, I will lose distance layering sensing. What are the advantage then?
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    Hi Thomas,

    I just replied to the e-mail you sent to VSL support. Quoting our conversation from there:

    @Another User said:

    Q:

    >I tried to off the distance dependent scaling. I can't tell the difference between an instrument right in front of the main microphone, from one that is very far away. May I know how is this useful for pop? I can't do the distance layer effect. I usually throw the vocal on a forward sounding reverb and the strings on a reverb far away at the back. A reverb at the back of the room, have more late reflections. But when distant dependent scaling is off, it makes everything sounds like they are at the same distance. 

    A:

    Well, you SHOULDN'T hear any difference in the direct signal's LEVEL when "Distance Dependent Scaling" is off - that's what it's meant to do. You SHOULD clearly hear the change of the instrument's position, its stereo width, and of course different responses from the Venue, depending on the position of the Instrument Icon.

    ... the idea is that we use "reverb" more as an effect in a pop-mix than we use "space" and "distance" in a classical orchestral mix. In a pop-mix we prefer to set a track's volume first and toy around with the amount of "reverb" later, without changing the chosen track's volume at the same time. ... which is exactly what happens to the signal when this scaling-option is "on".

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library