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    The content is great. 👍

    🐞 I've got only one issue for now. I have many instruments with Synchron Player but the problem appears only if it has any preset of brass is loaded.

    macOS Catalina

    1. In the DAW I can add Synchron Player and load any brass preset. But after I closed the player's window I can't open it again. In the meantime the audio is working and instrument can play.
    2. In the VERPO Server 7.0.1056 64 bit. Crushed the whole app when clicking between tabs "PERFORM, CONTROL, etc"

    I can click on other tabs as well, but on "CONTROL". In both cases it crushed or frozen the application after clicking on the "CONTROL" tab.

    So it's clear that the problem is not related to a host application. Just tried to load a patch without choosing a preset. With patches dropped on a slots everything is working.

    ❗️ Reloading computer,  downloading and reinstalling a patches didn't work out for fixing the problem.

    Waiting for solution.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hello alexandr, 

    Which OS are you working on, exactly?

    Which DAW and version are you using?
    Did you upgrade to the latest version Synchron Player 1.1.2037 (which is necessary for Synchron Brass to work)?

    If that's the case, please send a crash report you get from VE Pro: support@vsl.co.at

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Did you upgrade to the latest version Synchron Player 1.1.2037 (which is necessary for Synchron Brass to work)?

    Didn't know that there is an update available. This resolved the issue. Thank you for a quick help!

    😅 Next time I'll read a release notes more carefully, hahaha
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    Low Brass 6 players, 6 player clusters -> Short, Long, Dynamics etc - dissonant chord . Is that specially made for, let's say, inspiration? 😁
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    Comparing to VI Brass1 and Brass2 will Synchron Brass be really important upgade? If anyone of VSL users made this comparison? I´d like to hear what changes (improvements) in sound and articulations this upgrade will mean. Thank you
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    @Viktor said:

    Comparing to VI Brass1 and Brass2 will Synchron Brass be really important upgade? If anyone of VSL users made this comparison? I´d like to hear what changes (improvements) in sound and articulations this upgrade will mean. Thank you

    I have most of the VI standard instruments from Brass 1 and Brass 2 (through MIRx Synchron Stage Extension) and the Synchron Brass.

    If you already tried any of the Synchron Strings libraries, you know there is certainly a difference in terms of depth and three dimensional immersion of the patches.

    Same happens with the new Synchron Brass. I'd say the biggest selling point for me is the way the overall sound saturates when going for higher dynamics: it's completely different to have multiple mics recording this instead of recreating it through a single position.

    The second selling point might be a dedicated Low Brass patch, instead of recreating it using individual instruments.

    That said, IMHO, any of the individual instruments from the VI series still works beautifully combined with the Synchron library. Think I might be too familiar to how they sound and handle to let them go.
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    Thank you for replying, I have some VI libraries, this month completed Symphonic Cube and really go for the VSL sound, I liked the sound of Synchron libraries too (have Elite Strings and Synchron Strings Pro), some Synchronized libraries as well, but finished using VI libraries with MIRx as they integrate flawlessly almost with any other sound or library. I´m yet thinking on buying Synchron Brass (as I was impressed by its sound). Thanks! 
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    @Viktor said:

    Comparing to VI Brass1 and Brass2 will Synchron Brass be really important upgade? If anyone of VSL users made this comparison? I´d like to hear what changes (improvements) in sound and articulations this upgrade will mean. Thank you

    VI Brass 1 and 2 are very "classical" sounding, while Synchron Brass is decidedly "cinematic".  I'd hesitate to call Synchron Brass an "upgrade".  I think it's more appropriate to say it's complimentary and fulfills a different sonic purpose.

    When comparing the two, I think these are the most useful observations:

    - VI Brass is dry, and therefore more flexibly used in a variety of situations.  Synchron Brass is not dry, so it's stuck in the Synchron Stage.  However, that stage - along with the absurdly large ensemble sizes - gives the sound an incredible "thunderclap" effect that is very, very difficult (if not impossible) to replicate digitally.  This is most noticable in the short notes.

    - VI Brass is comprehensive when it comes to articulations.  Synchron Brass is made up of both originally recorded material and material taken from BBO products.  While the structure of the keyswitching remains constant throughout, it also means that certain patches lack certain things.  For example, the most noticable omission is that the 9 Trombones don't have a legato patch (as they were originally recorded for use in BBO, which is not meant to be as detailed or comprehensive as other product lines).

    - VI Brass does not contain anything like the Low Brass patch in Synchron Brass (Which is also available as single BBO libraries).  Since that patch was recorded in unison and in situ, it has an extraordinarily powerful sound.

    - Synchron Brass introduces a seemingly small but amazing feature called "Timbre Adjust" which is essentially a custom filter control designed specifically for these brass instruments.  This, along with very smooth velocity layers and crossfading, makes the dynamic control of the whole library *extremely* responsive, playable, and smooth.

    Hope that helps inform your decision!
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    Paul and VSL,

    My thoughts on the library:

    The sound of the library is fantastic: powerful, thunderous, clean.  A major problem with sampled brass - seamless dynamics - is handled extraordinarily well here.  Not only is the VelXF very, very smooth, but the Timbre Adjust feature is quite possibly the best part.  The difference it makes can't be understated.  The solo instruments are impressive and expressive (esp. the first trumpet), and being able to layer them into the ensembles easily makes the library much more extensive.

    Since the library is an amalgamation of previously recorded material, I can very much hear the difference in the legato patches between the older Big Bang Stuff and the new material recorded for this library specifically.  Namely, the ever-difficult "ambient legato" has been improved over time.  This unfortunately means certain ensembles are more flexible/playable than others, but it also bodes well for future libraries (namely, Synchron Woodwinds which will absolutely need great legato patches to work well, esp. at fast tempos).

    That said, I'd like to make two requests:

    1) If possible, update the library with newly recorded legato patches for the 9 Trombone Ensemble.  For a premium library at this price point, the lack of this patch seems like a glaring omission.  I realize that's quite a task, but I figured I might as well make the request as you've done similar things before (i.e. Cantabile Violins).

    2) The Timbre Adjust feature is incredible, but so far only works as intended with the Synchron Brass library.  As you continue to update Synchron Player, it would be fantastic for the Timbre Adjust feature to be updated to work its magic with past releases as well (like Synchron Strings Pro/Elite, and perhaps even the SYN-zed libraries).
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    @PaoloT said:

    I'm surprised not to see the Synchronized Dimension Brass in promo. They would be a great match with the new Synchron Brass! 😊

    Xing my fingers for the next days' promo change. DimBrass are a great way to get the missing solo instruments!

    Paolo
  • muziksculpM
    muziksculpM

    Has the Intro. Price been extended to August 15th ?  

    I didn't get the Newsletter email informing me of this, but someone mentioned it. The product page doesn't show this, maybe they will post this change tomorrow. 
  • PaoloTP
    PaoloTP

    @Paul, is the Synchron Brass Update02 including the Update01? I didn't update it, so I wonder if I have to look for the older update as well.

    Paolo
  • PaulP
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    Hi,

    Yes, newer updates always include previous updates, as written on top of every Library Update Info.

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Yes, newer updates always include previous updates, as written on top of every Library Update Info.

    Thanx, Paul! I had always missed that sentence. Cleaning up my folders!

    Paolo
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    Thank you for replying, just bought this library and really can say that the sound is amazing!
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    @Seventh Sam said:

    - VI Brass does not contain anything like the Low Brass patch in Synchron Brass (Which is also available as single BBO libraries).  Since that patch was recorded in unison and in situ, it has an extraordinarily powerful sound.

    Actually, Dimension Brass contained a Low Brass section. Only, you could access the separate components. But they were recorded all together.

    Paolo
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    @Seventh Sam said:

    - VI Brass does not contain anything like the Low Brass patch in Synchron Brass (Which is also available as single BBO libraries).  Since that patch was recorded in unison and in situ, it has an extraordinarily powerful sound.

    Actually, Dimension Brass contained a Low Brass section. Only, you could access the separate components. But they were recorded all together.

    Paolo

    I know.  I was comparing to the specific "Brass I" and "Brass II" bundles, as that's what Viktor asked about (I think?)
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    Hi Paul I have used Synchron Brass for a while and it has such good sounds. I found that Sforzato and sforzatissimo cannot respond to velocity and VelXF. Is this made on purpose? In Other libraries the sfz and sfzz patches are responding to velocity and VelXF. I think this is still useful e.g. when playing Sforzato or sforzatissimo, sometimes it needs to be drag down to create more realistic dynamic at the right time in progress. So could this feature be added back in synchron brass as in other libraries? In that case, to users they have one more choice on how to use patches, to the libraries they have the same logic in controls. Thanks!
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Mark, 

    Glad you like Synchron Brass!

    We have limited the dynamic range of this articulation to make it fit better with the rest of the articulations. You can easily adjust the volume with Expression (CC11), if you like. 

    Hope that works for you!

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi Mark, Glad you like Synchron Brass! We have limited the dynamic range of this articulation to make it fit better with the rest of the articulations. You can easily adjust the volume with Expression (CC11), if you like. Hope that works for you! Best,Paul
    Hi Paul Thanks for quick reply. I did use CC11. But, what if I use this two articulations in customized stack patches e.g. Sforzato+Sus, Sforzatissimo +Crescendo to make something I need. What I want is when I press harder I get more powerful note attack, the less hard the less note attack, this should be under control. But since this two articulations wouldn’t response to the velocity and VelXF control, I wouldn’t get what I want. I know someone would use staccato instead but that sounds not natural as Sforzato and Sforzatissimo. REALLY wish this could be add back. Thanks again for reply.