Wow! That's just made me realise something ..   a couple of years ago I mentioned to support that the Synchron piano never gets quiet enough - with velocity at 1. Now I see why!

Of course I never had the need to ride the velocity XF with piano, but do with strings.

I do hope this gets bumped up the priority list soon!!

@Paul said:

Hi Richard, 

Thanks for your post. Indeed, this has been changed in the Synchron Player. 

You can of course always use Expression to fade out the last bits of signal.  For now that's the only solution I see. 

We already have a case about this, but it didn't get highest priority. 

Best, 
Paul

I have found that if I assign the expression fader to the same CC as my dynamic crossfade fader and then use the control tab to decrease the range of the expression fader using a custom curve, I get something very similar to the way the VI pro player works.  I do miss having FULL control over the dynamic range of a patch meaning I can make is so the lowest velocity doesn't play any sound.

Yes! One of the best things about the old VI player was the ability to widen the dynamic range, including to niente. It made for extremely expressive performances, all just using the mod wheel. I find cc11 is often at odds with the velocity x-fade.

This is just me, but I’ve found that the Dynamic Range slider in VI is more a way to adjust the dynamic response than to access 'al niente'.

Usually, you don’t go to absolute silence. Going to al niente is a special behavior, a special technique. I’ve learnt to do it with Expression, and leave the Dynamic Range to the optimal setting.

Paolo

Any news on this?  I'd really like the dynamic range of longer notes to be wider and the same with staccato notes when mapped to velocity.....   They were both great in the old VI player.....

Hi, 

No news there, sorry. 

Best,
Paul

@Paul said:

Hi, 

No news there, sorry. 

Best,
Paul

Thanks Paul. Is there a way we can push this forward as a feature request?

Hi, 

I hope we can include this with the next development sprint, but I can't make any promises. Our dev team is super busy for the next months. 

Best, 
Paul

Thanks Paul.  Nice to hear  "Agile" terms ;-)

From my experience, a disadvantage of fading to al niente with the Expression control seems to be that you don't only fade out the direct sound, but also the release and the reverb tail. With CC11 you are acting on the volume control of the channel (even if a relative control, compared to the general CC7 one).

So, being able to have the XFaded (CC1) control fade to zero seems to be necessary.

Paolo

Hi Paolo,

Sorry to say, but this wouldn't work either - it would have the exact same effect as using Expression to fade out.

Best, Ben

@Ben said:

it would have the exact same effect as using Expression to fade out.

Hum, so, in any case any volume control (dynamics, expression, volume) will have effect on everything. At this point, the most fine-tuned way to fade volume could be to independently control dynamics on the separate mics, where available. Going completely to zero with the Close mics, leaving a bit open the more distant ones – all on separate tracks.

Paolo

[Synchron Piano dynamic range]

Nearly 2 years since my original post...

I may have accepted grudgingly that Synchron player isn't as flexible as VIPro is (was) in various ways but it's intensely annoying that Synchron piano, which is in every other way the best selection of VST pianos bar none for a proper piano sound (ie: not one of those effected soft ones or a Thomas Newman knock-off), is still not capable of really soft dynamics.

[The other major way Synchron is not as flexible is the lack of control from an ipad that I get from VIPro]

Ultimately I can still go back to older VIPro libraries to get the effect I need for strings. And I do, frequently.

As I posted before it took me noticing that Synchron Player strings will not ride down to niente - for that light bulb moment to occur that it must be for the exact same reason we cannot get very quiet passages out of Synchron piano - ie: the player engine is restricted in its dynamic range at the bottom end.

[...and If you remember - the Synchron piano was available long before the other Synchron libraries came into view, so for some time I couldn't understand the lack of dynamic range in Synchron piano, just that it was there -

I'm not a software programmer but it seems like it must be an entirely fixable problem. Shame it hasn't been addressed. Is there any chance of a solution soon?

NB: I have no idea if VSL is listening... but the lack of dynamic range in Synchron is THE ONLY reason I have not bought Synchron brass and wind sections. I still use my old VIPro libraries for them due to flexibility.