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  • Yea I get that now, It just wasn't clear to me from the name "Copy Root Slot".  

    "Copy Dimension Tree" would have made perfect sense.  ;-)

    But as I said, there must be a hidden slot, which that command allows us to copy...so it makes sense when you know there is a hidden root slot.  


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    @andi said:

    David, the SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition presets "02 Trumpet I (C)" and "03 "Trumpet I (C) muted" have different EQ settings and different impulses. Nevertheless, you can of course combine them in one preset, if it helps your workflow.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    OK, I see what you mean -- the EQ settings are somewhat different and when listening closely, there is indeed a difference. Mute copied into the normal instrument lacks something of the raw distinctiveness of timbre which you hear when the original instrument is used. I'll perhaps try the channel change and see if I can get that to work.


  • have managed to get the channel change to work in Dorico. Although the software does not yet allow you to add a new instrument to a player which is not already in the list, in Setup you can create a copy of something already existing  and just rename it, thus creating in the Play window the essential additional track for allocating to a different MIDI channel. The beauty is it doesn't appear in the score so you can don't need to do an instrument change at all -- simply create the articulation " mute" and the Expression Map directs you to the new channel you've selected. The Synchron mute instrument articulations largely map the non-mute ones so no additional programming is required. Just remember to include the reset to original channel command in the default "nat", otherwise you stay mute for ever!

    PS I have not yet really checked to see if I can see any issues reported by one or two users that the dynamic level isn't inherited between the channels, resulting in volume jumps. If I can confirm this, I'll report back


  • So I'm playing around with trying to create some multi-instrument presets with combi-mixer.  Maybe the JSON can be used here.

    As Andi pointed out, most of the difficulty is related to getting mixer settings from one instrument to another.  We can build a dimension tree with any combination of "patches" we want, but the actual mixer settings such as EQ and other things, are contained in the overall inst preset, which is saved in a binary format and I can't find any way to produce a JSON configuration of the overall inst preset.  We can get the JSON for each slot (and its descendants).  But slots only seem to contain either references to patches or various edit and performance attributes.  Nothing about the mixer is in that JSON that is available with right click copy.

    It is however possible to save a user mixer preset.  So open each instrument preset that is intended to be combined into a single instrument preset.  For each one, save the mixer preset.  After that go open them all and try to figure out how to combine the JSON from several into one mixer preset.  

    That will not be for the faint of heart though, but it might be possible.  Might be able to write a javascript script to do it.

    Its probably easier to just open each of the intended instruments in another synchron instance and then approximate the EQ settings in the combined one, one strip at a time. 

    if there is some other way to do this already in an easy way, please advise.

     (note, would be nice if there was a "Copy Channel Strip Settings" command or something, and could then copy and paste from one instance of Synchron to another; and build up combi multi-instruments that way, or at least easily add slightly different instrument family groups to a single synchron instance with a combined mixer when needed)


  • Hi Dewdman,

    Just right-click on the volume meter in the mixer :)

    Best, Ben


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • ausgezeichnet!!!

    Thank you!

    See my idea was so good that you already thought of it.  ;-)


  • Is there a way to delete a channel strip from the mixer?

    I can't find it if its there.  I will try to copy and paste the mixer preset JSON and hack it out...  But hoping you have a way already built in to do it.


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    @bbelius said:

    Hi Dewdman,

    Just right-click on the volume meter in the mixer 😊

    Best, Ben

    Nice! But that presumably only copies the volume settings and to get all the mixer settings, you'd need to do the same on Pan, reverb, EQ and Delay as well? Or does clicking on any one save all?


  • Hello Dewdman42!

    Channel strips can be removed with the upper "-" (minus) symbol at the left of the mixer. Please note that only the last channel can be removed and not one in between.

    David, with the rightclick volume meter/Copy strip settings option the whole channel strip gets copied and not just the volume setting.

    Best,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • If you right click on the meter you get the "Copy/Paste channel strip" option, that copies and pastes everything except the channel name.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • Yea I needed to remove a channel strip in the middle. It’s ok I was able to edit the json pretty easily