@William said:

My reaction is based on how you dismiss the entire library, saying it bad overall, simply for one flaw - which is hardly noticeable.  Instead of simply pointing out a bug.  But I have no interest in debating it.     

Two flaws actually. I would certainly not trash the whole on that basis. As I said ".. what is an otherwise excellent library which to my ears is the best recorder library presently available." As I like the library so much I am working around the debated "bad" samples using pitch bend. Everybody happy?!

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Although I don't own Recorders library, I can totally imagine the flaws you are talking about. I am flute player and have tried couple of sizes of recorders. I think it is because with recorders there are certain notes have several different fingering alternatives, each one has a different tone and intonation. It is tricky when sample these instruments, because the consistensy of tone is hard to remain, sometimes It is even impossible when you play long notes. (if it is in runs or trills that's ok).

@William said:

No that doesn't make me happy.  

Never mind.

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Dear William - please calm down. Xiaodong Li's message has been presenting perfectly valuable information. :-)

Kind regards,

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Is this the final word on the subject? Dietz? Such an old thread... but the issue of "bum notes" in (mainly) the Alto & Tenor Recorder instruments is really disappointing. These objectively weak notes should have been better volume-matched to the rest of the package and they simply were not. The only workarounds I've found mentioned here are pitch-bending or after-the-fact-Melodyne rendering. "Recorders" was nearly the first VSL library I bought, and it's great. But flawed. :(  Also, The Soprano Recorders “42 RE-So_perf-rep_leg_noVib” seems to be a duplicate of “41 RE-So_perf-rep_leg_Vib”, as Albino mentioned two years ago.

If I can extend the range of instruments using VI Pro, can't I replace a note (and it's dynamic variations) within an articulation/patch? Why in the world hasn't VSL issued an update for this library? How many "man-hours" are required to (not even re-record them but digitally) replace a few individual notes?

Xiadong Li's comment is well-taken, but, no, the notes in question don't require alternate fingerings to sound properly, volume-matched, and properly in-tune. Although the character of a baroque recorder has a different quality depending on the tessitura, these several bad notes aren't particularly rogue notes. Perhaps the issue is only with the digital signal & post-production intricacies? 

I've owned and performed with all the Yamaha instruments used for this library & owned many other instruments from mass-produced to hand-made wonders. Yamaha recorders in this line are very decent instruments, and, imo, well-chosen for this sampling library as they're reliable, have interesting color, and they sound consistent across the ensemble.

Personally, I like the C Greatbass and find that I’m covered regarding the lack of an F Bass …”and then some.” Yamaha’s YRGB-61 (C Greatbass) & YRB-61 (F Bass) match very well, and their response and (especially) tonality/timbre are nicely matched/ compatible. But, of course, they’re each different horns with different dimensions. No one but “Andreas1” can be the judge of what he requires, what he hears, or his preference. 

Modern “Baroque” recorders, as a standard, play two octaves and a whole-step. Handmade instruments should speak all of them well. Factory instruments are sometimes challenged with particular notes & one needs to become very familiar with each individual instrument’s idiosyncrasies in order to play all the notes well. Sometimes one should just replace the instrument if it has flaws / special needs. These things aren’t rocket-science, but this wooden tube with holes & a whistle built-in is a small miracle in the hands of a master artist.

Funny to see that this topic comes up and up again.

I have only one question:

VI Version VS Synchronized Special Edition ... Are there changes (Remastering, "tricking", copying and remapping etc.) made in the SYzed Version regarding to this Topic?

Thanks.

When it comes to historical horn instruments you were creative with "closing the gaps" (I mean the empty keys) for the sustain articulations. You did that by pitching an existing sample +copy & paste ... done! Very good! That is what we want. Sometimes "creating some unrealism" for the benefit of playability on the keyboard is the right thing!

And now ... If you emagine the "flaws" as empty keys ... Why not so here?

Just a little sample-exchange and boom .... there we are! Happy!!!

Hi LAJ, 

If I have learned something in product development, it's this: There is no way to make everybody happy. 

We are making our decisions based on what we believe is best, from choosing musicians and instruments to recording millions of samples, editing and mapping. 

There is no "boom ...  here we are!", although I think we're doing a good job in making it look like it. 

If we start to discuss singular samples with every user separately, we won't be able to produce new products...

Best,
Paul

Thanks for your feedback, Paul.

I've realized an uncomplicated solution in my case/ for my purposes. I can always go back to the sequence and modify notes and their parameters ...specifically, I can adjust some gain-staging for any troublesome "shy" notes.

All I can ask is to please let it be known there are still end-users who would like VSL's excellent Recorder Library to be on your list of products to consider revisiting & updating. 

Thanks!