Legatoslur is not as good as other strings. It's not working!!! Hollywood, Lass, etc., and then ask for a refund!!

@yilalatavsl said:

Legatoslur is not as good as other strings. It's not working!!! Hollywood, Lass, etc., and then ask for a refund!!

Cellos are available!!

Something with Synchron player is pretty nice. The concept is brilliant, the design is ok. But from a musical performance point of view I have to admit complaints are more than justified.

The idea of managing slurs articulations and dynamics with overlappings, XF and scripts (then with manipulation of a limited set of samples) was obviously dictated by the need of saving resources to be dedicated to multi MIC management, and was also designed to link effects to different type of sustain (e.g. slur to different vibratos, marcatos, fp etc.). Ok but...

Now the problem is that a WET set of samples, will open problems with release and reverb levels, and despite the hard work of developers, still the player is doing very unpleasent things, I'm starting to doubt will ever be possible to fix:

- the "legato blur" controller is increasing the "wet" feeling to unacceptable level, with strange resonances and long tails. In my very humble opinion it's not adding realism to the legato, the opposite it makes it sound more like a scripted legato.

- the legato-slur some people is criticizing so much, is in my opinion sounding a bit weird because now the slurs are stand alone samples linking with scripts to pretty alien sustains samples, and probably this is the source of some unnatural effect. It was definitely "reinvented". Maybe not yet in a superior or better way, unfortunately.

- the algorithmic reverb should be turned off to get the "real" sound, but if you do it, the "naked" connections of different samples are exposed and not always sounding well enough... (that's what VSL calls "sweetening" the Synchron Stage sound...)

- the Cellos have some pretty strange resonances (sound like open strings ringing forever despite note-off, but in theory, with reverb turned off and release samples to zero, they should disappear... instead they sound even more evident and kind of synth wave... not sure what they are and where they come from, but they are definitely disturbing).

Of course I still hope the VSL software developers (I consider them simply the best team in the industry, and pieces of software like MIR and VE are proving it) will improve the product step by step and maybe future versions will be really better. Now the product in my very humble opinion doesn't match all the promises, and of course doesn't match expectation of several faithful users. Crossing fingers and looking forward to next bug fixes...

Yes the concept of "dimensions of articulations" is ingenius. 😛(And of course it is even more ingenoius, that they even managed to reealise it as it was suggested)

To improve all possible details of its usage is always a process which not at least depend on the users and their demands.

However the concept is still groundbreaking and pushes VSL far above all existing solutions how to musical reasonable organize the wealth of dedicated Samplelibraries.

We cant estimate high enough that they made this couragous step and yes I think we all can and will help them to imrpove their Products with all our expirience of its usage.

I like the player. It lacks keyboard support though and everything has to be clicked by mouse to apply, but I like it. There is very smart idea behind it and building presets feels fresh and deep.

But what I don't like is that VSL is dialing legato blur at 30 and adds algo reverb by default (reverb sounds very nice though). So by default we don't hear natural acoustics of stage in ambient library. Is there something wrong with this stage? Or you think that users won't appreciate raw, natural sound of Synchrons?

Second, The Blur - overlaping transition with unnatural release from previous note is not true legato. It is a trick which could work for librararies without true legato. Why do you guys want us to blur the transitions that were played by great musicians and recorded by master engineers? Why you don't want us to hear true legato and instead of that you promote "smeared release"?

And the last - slur. I would like to hear how to use it. Why the slur seems to be random? I created patch that is  crossfading normal legato with slured and I kinda like it, but I never know where the slur will occur. Big interval? Small interval? Random interval? ;)

In the end player is huge step forward, made this library workable. But "legato" based on cheap trick which is easy to spot (huge build-up of fake release) is just bad magic.

Tbh I don't expect answers, although I truly would like to hear some. Because signs that I see are basically saying that you are not that proud of your kid, but you just don't want to say that out loud.

@Piotr Katzpersky said:

I like the player. ...

In the end player is huge step forward, made this library workable. But "legato" based on cheap trick which is easy to spot (huge build-up of fake release) is just bad magic.

Tbh I don't expect answers, although I truly would like to hear some. Because signs that I see are basically saying that you are not that proud of your kid, but you just don't want to say that out loud.

Hi Piotr, I almost quoted your whole post... just few hours before you posted it 😊 Anyway I'm happy others feel the same and have the same technical understanding, it increases the probability and hope that VSL will work on the listed points.

@fatis12_24918 said:

Hi Piotr, I almost quoted your whole post... just few hours before you posted it 😊 Anyway I'm happy others feel the same and have the same technical understanding, it increases the probability and hope that VSL will work on the listed points.

Haha, yes, I'm aware of that, I red your post and I was like: should I write what I wanted to write or just say "I agree 100%"? But I decided that this forum needs another long post about thing that bugs (probably not only) us 😉

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Hi, 

Sorry, my mistake, it was the MULTI Library for first violins that was added yesterday. I think the second violins will be added soon. 

Best, 
Paul

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Hi，

Maybe I really can't humiliate you and humiliate you!But the synchron strings I sounds really bad!The new player did not solve a good continuous play at all! Shit！String music from other manufacturers can be quite competent for your string music! I feel sorry for buying this string! I really regret it! Nausea to the extreme!

Hello everybody,

All download files for Synchron Strings I for Synchron Player are now available in your Library Downloads!

Have a great weekend!

Paul

I'm now downloading and installing the library for 3 days (!!) The progress since 48 hours (my 2nd attemp) is 19%. It seems to me, that there is going something wrong - can you help me?

Best regards,

Stefan

Do have a fast Internet-connection? ( I would expect you have in cologne)

I do not have any problems here ( im ländlichen Niedersachsen 😉 allerdings eben mit Glasfaser-Netz)

Perhaps you should try to restart your router. Just an Idea....

Connection is terrific and all is downloaded already. Only the installation needs so much time - I don't understand it ...

OK that definitly seem to me a Suport-Case:

If I remeber right just the installation was in average ca 15-20 min per downloaded Part here. Hacve you checked to have twice of the Library as empty SSD-Space since if you download all to the same SSD, where you want to install it you mioght need twice of the Diskspace to get the downloaded Files installed.If you run short with SSD-Space, perhaps you might think tto download to another HDD and install from there on your SSD. At least you can decide both times the path as well for the download as for the installation.  May this might help.

If not try to contact: support@vsl.co.at

Thank You - I just wrote an eMail to them ...

Is the max voice count of 1024 PER instance or is that the maximum acorss all instances?

Difficult to tell as the player shows ram usage and voice count combined acorss all instances at the bar along the bottom.

If it is only 1024 combined, surely that is nowhere near enough? I am just checking as i had it only at 256 (default) which would mean it dropped a note if playing a chord of more than 3 notes, just using sustains with VB xfade!

@Paul said:

Hi, 

the voice limit is per instance. The more mics you want to use, the more voices will stream, and of course Velocity XFade multuplies the number (which is also why the Velocity Range options are very handy). 

Best,
Paul

Ok, thats good. Thanks. Just wasnt sure as it appears to show the voice count for all instances at the bottom.

Why are we getting Newsletter about the Synchron player and Sychron Strings I while already purchased?

It makes no sense and therefore I am not understanding it. Except if someone is trying to make upsales by selling the same product twice😛. I suppose you do not use filters in your CRM... Its strange for a high tech company like VSL. No offence... Or do I miss something?