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    @Dietz said:

    Personally, I wouldn't use VE Pro to outsource insert FX from your DAW. This is simply not the strength of this application, which was primarily created to host virtual instruments. The send-return routing scheme that is mandatory when using VE Pro with external signal sources is quite clunky in that respect.

    To avoid any confusion: Of course it is straight-forward and pretty simple to use insert FX in VE Pro channels that are hosting signal sources themselves! Nothing will hinder you from adding a compressor or some tasty tape saturation to Vienna Instruments (or 3rd-party plug-ins) directly in VE Pro. 😊

    Kind regards,

    Very well, your advice makes sense and I will just host instruments.

    Thank you for your invaluable assistance.

    Grateful Thanks,

    Mike.
  • DietzD
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    DietzD

    You're welcome!

    Like I wrote before: It makes perfect sense to use VE Pro as virtual FX rack for Aux Sends, too. You don't have to stick to instruments only. :-)

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Dietz said:

    .... It makes perfect sense to use VE Pro as virtual FX rack for Aux Sends, too...

    I read this thread, because this is just the reason, why I look at VE Pro 6 right now: taking the load off my main computer and running the processor-intensive plugins (be it compressors, EQs, reverbs, other FX) on a host-machine.

    - According to your experience: would that really help, or would all the routing, creating additional send/returns, AUXs, etc. create as much strain on my main computer (running PT12.6, bwt.), that the advantage of running the plugins externally on the host-computer via VEP is minimal

    - looking at the suggested workflow (thanks for posting such an extensive explanation!), it is quite a big undertaking, thinking about hosting the plugins for  20 to 40+ track projects "externally". Does it make sense to you at all?

    - how do you rate the following idea and the possible chances of it being realized/realizeable by the creators of VEP:  

    why not develop some sort of "plugin" variation for VEP, that I can insert into any track on my DAW, that functions just like any other inserted plugin (meaning it is it's own "all in one audio send and return" in that very track, so to say): it routes that very channel/audio forth and back to/from the VEP server instance? 

    In other words: I insert this "VEP FX plugin" into track number 1, create its "counterpart" instance in VEP, where I will insert any combination of plugins I want to use there (like dynamics, EQ, FX) and automatically, audio from track number 1 gets sent to its "counterpart" in VEP, processed and routed back via that "VEP FX plugin" instance into the very track again. Then I proceed with track number 2 etc. - So finally, by using this "VEP FX plugin", VEP really IS an easy to use FX-rack, too. (I hope, that I could make myself understandable)

    Thanks for helping me with that matter and finding a decision, whether VEP can fit my needs
  • PaulP
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    Hi jwitzsch, 

    I just wanted to point you to the free demo license for VE PRO 6, but realized that you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    A more elegant solution for the external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year. 

    We're always happy to get some feedback, so let us know how this works for you!

    Best,
    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    ...you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    ... external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year.

    Paul - thanks so much for getting back with an answer (to both my posts)! Reading about your plans sounds very promising, looking forward to the update! Right now, I'm delving into VEP to get to know all its functions, kudos for this amazing piece of software!

    Mind telling me, whether the (non proper procedure, I did not follow any rules!!!) FX-workaround, that I just discovered by thinking outside the box, might produce any problems:

    I did not create any instrument/aux tracks and insert VEP6 like suggested in the manual. Instead, I just took my first audio track, and inserted your audio-plugin in the first slot and the VEP right below in the second slot, assigned send and return to channels 1&2 and could send & receive processed audio after inserting my plugin(s) in the VEP server instance.

    I did so with a second track, assigning send and return to channels 3&4 completely independet of the first track.

    So: no additional AUXs or instrument tracks in ProTools, 12.6 just plain and simple inserting VE in single tracks...

    Suprised, that this works? Or problematic in terms of things I am not thinking of/considering, and/or processor load in my DAW?

    P.S.: as for VST plugins, Vienna Ensemble 5 properly recognizes Waves' 9.6 and 9.7 two MAIN VST DLLs and their "compressed" individual plugin contents, Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 does not, anymore. I know, that VE does not officially support Waves VST, but it might be worth looking into, if ever possible. Waves is just too good to loose them in VEP 6...

    Kind regards!
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    Hi, 

    Sounds like that works nicely, and I don't see any troubles. 

    Did you check the the Waves plug-ins are not in the Waveshell and assigned in the correct VST Plug-in folders?

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    ...Did you check the the Waves plug-ins are not in the Waveshell and assigned in the correct VST Plug-in folders?

    They are in the Waveshell (sorry for not knowing the correct terms, that's what I meant by "compressed" - there are just two DLLs in the VST folder). VE 5 seems to get along with the Waveshell and gives me access ot all my Waves plugins, VEP 6 not anymore. VST plugin folder (64bit...) has the same path in VE 5 and VEP 6 settings.
  • PaulP
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    PaulP

    Hi, 

    So did you try to extract those plug-ins from Waveshell? Should be worth a try. 

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi jwitzsch, 

    I just wanted to point you to the free demo license for VE PRO 6, but realized that you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    A more elegant solution for the external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year. 

    We're always happy to get some feedback, so let us know how this works for you!

    Best,
    Paul 

     

    Hi Paul,

    With all the exciting new work happening regarding synchron libraries, I just thought I'd voice a hope/request that something for extrenal FX-Rack is still being looked at.

    I found this thread by googling, and I don't browse the forum much at all, so apologies if this conversation has been furthered elsewhere already!

    very best,

    Chris
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    Hi Chris, 

    Improving VE PRO as an external FX-Rack is still on our plate, but not with a high priority, I have to say. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Oki doke, thanks for the info, and for the lightening quick reply!

    cheers,

    Chris
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    @Paul said:

    Hi Chris, 

    Improving VE PRO as an external FX-Rack is still on our plate, but not with a high priority, I have to say. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    I think this is really short sighted, and a huge missed opprtunity and revenue stream. The market is hungry for this kind of software solution.

    Do you guys not realize how easily you could have a standalone product that would basically lead the charge for offloading plugins to a local host or multiple slave machines that the user wants to turn into a DSP server? 

    Why not split it out and make it a whole new product? You have the technology 90% of the way there already. IF you split it into a new product, you could recode the hurdles in VEP that are holding you back. 

    You could make products like Waves SoundGrid DSP Servers a thing of the past, or at least offer another viable option. 

    PLEASE! Think about this again!
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    Yep! 

    This would be one of my primary uses for VEP...finding this topic whilst trying to work it out has been very disappointing for me, and now I'm not sure if i'll buy VEPro this month...

    one thing at least, it's useful for reverbs as is, my main concern being the very heavy but truly excellent waves h reverb and abbey road plates.

    But, even insert plugins like waves butch vig vocals have ridiculous cpu usage and i'd love to use VEP as a dedicated fx processor.

    Please reconsider

    Sincerely, T.
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    Using Vepro as an FX rack is waited by many users ! Logic and all Daws would work smoothly ! Mac users could buy cheaper slave PC to run all kind of plugins...please make it happen !
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    I thought you can use VST plugins from the slave to the host already?
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    This is exactly why I bought VE pro  so I can use my MBP with a second one running reverbs so I can finnish mixes while working on the road. All the marketing sugested  this was alredy a feature.
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    I asked the very same question and was wondering if a faster ethernet connection Woodworks a like 5 gig or 10 gig ethernet will be able to use a slave computer to do insert processing and hook up external gear as well as plugins on a slave computer that would be fantastic
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    +1 for using VEP as a virtual effects rack. It is working in DP 8.7 but it is very clumsy to offset the latency. The Waves Soundgrid system may be stealing your potential customers...
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    Using Logic Pro X, I am able to workaround this to run my masterbus series plugin chain via VEP6 (Virtual console modelling plug, bus compressor, EQ and a couple of styles of limiter- all in high quality mode). As this chain of plugins usually operate in series, on a single bus, Logiic Pro X isn’t able to separate this out as several tasks for multithreaded processing, so I’m often in a situation where I’m topping out a single processor, whilst the other 7 operate at around 10% . By sending my entire mix and the output of any auxiliary tracks or VI outputs to an auxilary bus in Logic, I can then use the Vienna Ensemble input plugin to send it back to VE Pro 6, to run my masterbus effects chain which seems to be much more efficient on processor load. To get the sound back into Logic, I then need to set up another Instrument track which I route to my output 1&2 channels. The routing is very messy and in this instance could be improved by creating a single ‘insert point’ plug, which simply allows you to choose where you want the audio to go, and where you want the audio to come back from. As I’m only using this for mixing, added latency or latency reporting isn’t too much of an issue as every element of my mix is going the same way, (so no timing issues), but I can see the engineering challenge if people wanted to use VEP6 as a host for several independent FX racks or want to use it live. I think it’s worth persevering with as the benefits of having this functionality are HUGE. Is this still planned in development? Until then, I would be happy with the ‘insert point’ routing plugin... if you wanted to provide some less convoluted routing options in the iterim!
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    Just wanted to add a +1 to this feature request/new product. I’d buy it instantly and I think any company who can bring this to market in a slick way will clean up.