@fahl5 said:

You just seem to be pretty cocksure of yourself and your advices given the fact, that I can not see any indication of any familiarity of you with the interpretation with classical modern Music like Bartok. Berg, Schönberg, Webern, Ligeti, Honegger, Prokoviev, Messiaen, Skriabin,  Nancarrow or likewise ambituos living Composers (of which you can find more than enough of well received examples on my site  - in numbers 680 mp3's just with music from the 20th century).

Regarding the fact, that I can not see any recording of any of those or likewise composers produced by yourself,  Isn't it simply the more propable, that this kind of music is just beyond the scope of your personal musical universe?

Never mind I will let you your personal limitations of understanding, but just take in account that it is simply more convincing to get advices from someone who have a practical and theoretical insight of what he talks.

For me at least is grumbling against precision, "elite", and deeper musical knowledge in general simply not enough to make interesting inspiring or at least in anyway convincing "friendly advices". Sorry for that, but I am just honest in that point. I think we both will learn to live with that difference.

I would be embarrased of that post.

Am I wrong in any single fact I mentioned?

I’ve already made my point.

Steffen, your personal insults to Guy Bacos should not be tolerated on this forum simply due to your own shortcomings and lack of willingness to accept honest, truthful feedback.   

I have had numerous discussions with Guy Bacos while he is preparing for his demos and I can assure you that he does extensive in-depth research and is most familiar with the body of works from a plethora of modern composers as this has often been the basis of our conversations and analysis.  Whether Bartok, Adams, Guibaidulina, Esa Pekka Salon, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Scriabin, or many others, I know Guy has listened and studied the scores of these modern composers as we have discuss their compositional techniques and orchestrations in detail.  It has simply been a subject of interest to us both to study and learn from existing works even if these discussions sometimes become rather exhaustive.

So Steffen, you are most wrong in your comment that Guy is unfamiliar with such modern pieces.  Making assumptions and accusations such as this debases you more than anyone when you are so wrong.

@synergy543 said:

Steffen, your personal insults to Guy Bacos should not be tolerated on this forum simply due to your own shortcomings and lack of willingness to accept honest, truthful feedback.   

I have had numerous discussions with Guy Bacos while he is preparing for his demos and I can assure you that he does extensive in-depth research and is most familiar with the body of works from a plethora of modern composers as this has often been the basis of our conversations and analysis.  Whether Bartok, Adams, Guibaidulina, Esa Pekka Salon, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Scriabin, or many others, I know Guy has listened and studied the scores of these modern composers as we have discuss their compositional techniques and orchestrations in detail.  It has simply been a subject of interest to us both to study and learn from existing works even if these discussions sometimes become rather exhaustive.

So Steffen, you are most wrong in your comment that Guy is unfamiliar with such modern pieces.  Making assumptions and accusations such as this debases you more than anyone when you are so wrong.

Sorry there is no "insult" at all.

Stay with the facts: Just take a look on the approximately 340 recordings with VSL-Samples I can find.

Simply none of them show any attempt of an interpretation of any music by the named composers. To state, that this gives no indication at all, that Guy might has any practical expierience in programming music by any of the named composers is no "insult" but simply a matter of fact.

We Guy and me are both working a pretty similar time with the same library and after having produced myself nearly 3000 predominantly very friendly received sample based recordings with among them nearly 700 of composers like the named serious 20th century classical modernism I can see absolutly no reasoon why I should not be honest when it comes to say what convinces me and what does not.

Is it so difficult  to accept, that Guys interest in using Samples has obviously a likewise very different character as our both musical education has. I confess I never have "worked as the house pianists in different places, among them was the prestigious "Club Saint Denis" of Montreal." And honestly I even never had any interesst or ambition to do so, but followed completly different challenges.

But if Guy love this kind of music as it seems to be, - why not? This no problem at all for me. But is it so difficult to accept that this is not necessary the appropriate precondition to play in any way the predominant judge for what I do. No one should or would expect that from a inhouse Pianist who can play the Chopin-Studies. But If one nevetheless tries to one should be at least ready that there are more possible answers than Guy is obviously ready to accept. And yes a decent musical knowledge and ability to give reasons based on historic arguments is also what he should be ready to come allong with and not ignore it simply with terms like "resistance" or even more abusive wording against me. 

An "advice" which is not allowed to discuss without being insulted for something like being not  obediente enough is neither friendly nor in anyway an advice but imho simply naive. Sorry. but discussion like that will scarcly convince me in any way at all.

By the way I do not have the impression that Guy has on his side ever been in anyway ready to serious reflect the friendly hints I gave him , but prefered exactly that behavior a few people here believe one might insult me for.

It is not about what any one has just "talked" once about anything, but an in depth knowledge and practical expiereince. Many important aspects of seious classical modernism of the 20th century look very different if ever you have spent the work to be able to play the music and do have an notable expierience in realising that music not only once ot twice. Just show me your interpretation of Bsrtoks Sonata for two Piaanos and Percussion and we can fairly judge who is able to convince for musical reasons. Up to now I cant hear anything like this. 

So come back to reality. I will not dispute or reduce in any way Guy Penchant to very popular titles of the standard repertoire and self composed genre pieces inspired or not by bajuvarian Brassbands or Christmas Carols. This is what he likes so why should he not do so. 

But sorry if anyone seriously believe that would or even could in any way be any kind of Benchmark for what I do.... frankly but this is really completly inapropriate in any way.

I’ve already made my point.

I’ve already made my point.

@Another User said:

So I would advise you to write a disclaimer:

I will only welcome comments by people who are as knowledgeable as Steff in contemporary music.

Of course this is again wrong and insultive.

I will of course not place any disclaimer just to remind you that any 2 cent you say might get its answer, without you instantly must complain "resitence"

You might perhaps follow my example when I tried to give you a friendly hint on a piece you meant to be inspired by Bajuvarian Music.

My attitude was: it finally depends on what you as the programmer/composer intend to do and I can only let you know my personal spontaneous reaction, being open for all what you think about.

Just try to take your Ideas and impression  ("2cents") as your personal idea: A friend would not complain resistence as soon he gets an answer on his thougts, but would ask first, what someone intends to do, before trying to give advice to help to achieve this intention.  (Just my 2 cents about wordings like "friendly advice")

I’ve already made my point.

Ok that seem to be a bit strong "resistence" for the simple friendly advice just to take your 2 cent not for the last possible word.

What ever makes it so difficult to you just to follow my example and start in your thoughts about other with the posibility that others do also have their point of view which would - at least when ever a real friend would try to give an advice - be the best starting point of any consideration.

Just try keep yourself open for an answer even if you at least here seem to have obviously some severe problems with that.

I’ve already made my point.

I've already made my point.

@Guy Bacos said:

You are ignorant of a ton of things you've talked about me and don't know about.

And who exactly think here to be able to judge exactly what.

If ever you expiereinced any constructive critic you will know the difference to simply abusive talk is that is always founded and conrete, while insults alway are most general unfounded but emotional emphazised insted.

Ok I do have the habit to answer both founded and concrete. I know that is a big problem for those who simply are interestd to reduce others or what they do. Feel free to verifiy this 😉

I've already made my point.

@Guy Bacos said:

Once again, I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Keep on admiring your Bartok mockup museum, you seem very content with that.

Your question about my intention seems to me now definitly to late.

What I want tp prove? I just always answer frankly and honest. It obviously depends on the one who asks/ comment or "friendly advises" which direction this dialogue takes. Congratulation, Here you can see which direction your way to "friendly advise" has taken this is extraodinary and without any parallel. (nosce te ipsum).

There is nothing wrong with a musical "museum", Even when I do believe there is absolutly nothing which is really meant to be for all (neither Bartok nor Beethoen nor any other Music, Composer or composition), but there are always some things for some people. This helps sometimes to know. However there is a lot to discover if ever one is curious enough😃

I’ve already made my point.

..and that's what happen when you post a thread in the wrong forum section.. :P