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    Hi Herb

    I'm using the standard "Large Set L2' presets within VI Pro (I've tried the 8 individual players and 'All Violins' presets) .  From what I can see, these load with Vel XFade off and function monophonically.

    I will record a short arpeggio with Dim Strings and Appassionata to try and illustrtate the issue and post a link shortly.

    Thanks for your help.  If you're saying these should be the smoothest yet, then there's clearly an issue here.

    Regards

    Jules
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    Hi Herb

    Links are below - 2 very basic examples (probably best to use right-click/save as I didn't zip them). In each case Appassionata Violins play first, followed by Dimension Violins (8 individual players playing together). Midi files in each case are identical, no reverb or other processing. Both are using standard perf-leg patch with Vel Xfade disabled.

    Example 1

    Example 2

    Perhaps I'm being overly pedantic here or hearing something others might not. I'd be very interested in your thoughts or feedback.

    Regards

    Jules
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     OK, I could download the files now. Generally it sounds fine to me. Obvious difference is 8 versus 20 instruments, the 8 Dimension Violins offer more detail compared to a section of 20 players. What I would suggest is to perform a least in two different groups of 4 players. Even for unsisono parts when each track is performed slightly different offers much more realism.

    best

    Herb
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    Hi Herb

    Maybe that's what it is - more 'blurring' of the transitions with the bigger section, which makes them sound smoother.  I find I can hear quite a pronounced drop and then swell as the note transitions on the Dimension Violins, which disrupts the flow of the legato, but I guess it's a matter of taste.

    Many thanks for listening and for your feedback.

    Jules
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    The Dimension violins are definitely smooth legato, so at first I thought you were using "Global" legato, which can create overlapping notes.  But it seems what you are hearing is simply how strings play legato in reality, which is not uniformly smooth depending on which legato transitions are being heard.  Various notes will be bowed legato, others sul depending on the situation, which will change the audible sliding between notes.  Also, a larger ensemble - especially like the Appassionata strings -  will sound smoother than a smaller one.
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    I fond this very old thread surfing the internet.

    I have to say that I agree with both points of view. DS it's incredible in very fast runs. It's really on par with pre-recorded runs sometimes. But at the same time, it seems this library can't perform the most easy legato passage, I mean the normal legato which accours when a violin/violin section play a melody on a single bow. In this case I really agree with Jules. That's probably the only big mistake of this library.
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    That is absolutely wrong and you shouldn't post that - there is no "mistake."    The legato is very smooth - listen to the Vertigo demo here and you will hear it.   That goes from the smallest ensemble of 6 players to the largest VSL recorded - Appassionata - and they are both extremely smooth, fluid legato.   
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    Calm down :) Dimension Strings is my favorite library to date, that's why I don't need to listen to audio samples (but I did listen) because I use DS every day. And I know a bit how real strings sound :) With a certain amount of reverb, for example with MIR, that issue became less obvious. But it still there. So as I would have prefered a real pianissimo layer in most of the articulations.
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    A legato performed by a solo player - which DS is actually composed of, recorded simultaneously  - sounds very different from a massed ensemble, and that is what you are hearing - the actual musically performed and recorded difference. 

    I did the Vertigo demo and so that is why I am responding - the legato on DS is fabulous, all individual string players doing their own legato, each different yet all useable as an ensemble or individually - there is nothing in all of music sampling that competes with this!   So don't say there is an "issue."   There is not an "issue" with the legato on these strings.  

     

    Unless you are working for a competing company as a shill...  then there is a big issue.  
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    @William said:

    Unless you are working for a competing company as a shill...  then there is a big issue.

    What if you're working as a shill? Would that be a big issue?

    I get good results from Dimension Strings legato, but please do not attack the other postsers for having opinions different from yours. That would be an actionable offense.