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  • Best workflow for performances

    Hi guys,

    I'd like to record melodic lines in as performances as opposed to manually entering in MIDI notes.

    1. Is the best workflow with solo instruments to use the expression slider for dynamics on long notes and velocity on short notes?
    2. Is the best workflow with ensemble instruments to use the velocity x-fade for dynamics on long notes and velocity on short notes?
    3. Which other sliders are people using these days to enhance authenticity of the performance?

    Please note: I only own the standard edition of the symphonic cube and I'm not looking to upgrade. I just want to do the best I can with what I've got.

    Many Thanks

    Paulo


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    @PauloRego said:

    Hi guys,

    I'd like to record melodic lines in as performances as opposed to manually entering in MIDI notes.

    1. Is the best workflow with solo instruments to use the expression slider for dynamics on long notes and velocity on short notes?
    2. Is the best workflow with ensemble instruments to use the velocity x-fade for dynamics on long notes and velocity on short notes?
    3. Which other sliders are people using these days to enhance authenticity of the performance?

    Please note: I only own the standard edition of the symphonic cube and I'm not looking to upgrade. I just want to do the best I can with what I've got.

    Many Thanks

    Paulo

    One man's opinion here.

    There's probably as many ways of doing it as there are people doing it, but In general for most instruments I use Velocity X-Fade for initial loudness but more importantly timbre, since the samples are recorded at various velocity layers-- this affects the timbre.

    Then use Expression for dynamics within the timbre. This is especially useful for those times when the Velocity X-Fade transition to a new velocity layer isn't so smooth. If you're just going for loudness, you can use Expression to stay within the same velocity layer. (I wish I had Standard instruments instead of Special Edition, because they contain more velocity layers.)

    Of course you always have your Master Volume in VI Pro and your track gain slider in your DAW to help you balance between instruments. 

    If it was me, I wouldn't want to micromanage the on/off of Velocity X-Fade in order to switch to using velocity for loudness and timbre. I'd be interested to read what other say about it.

    It's also worth noting that percussion and some other instruments lend themselves better to velocity instead of Velocity X-Fade for loudness and timbre. 

    To me I don't see a reason to operate differently for solo instruments and ensemble instruments. But perhaps others feel differently, I don't know.

    Really it just becomes a matter of experimenting with the results, no matter what slider you are using. Does your keyboard have sliders? That makes it easier to experiment. I'll end up using Start, or Attack, or Release if it gives me the sound I want. If you have cells set up for it, Slot X-Fade proves really useful for transitions within notes. But in every case I learned what I learned by experimentation.

    Even though I play samples in, I still use the Humanize feature of VI Pro. For solo instruments I scale it up to 100 or more.

    Hope this helps some. Now we can wait for the real experts to chime in.


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  • This is great, thank you for the speedy and informative response - very kind of you.

    I read in some other posts that velocity x-fade doesn't have such a good effect on the sound of solo instruments but it works well with ensembles that's why I was asking for specifics to each scenario.

    I'm using my piano with a 16 slider midi controller on top so I can just assign all the sliders to each of the CCs. I like to play around with solo instruments mostly so just looking for the best way to get these sounding their best.

    With the Slot X-Fade transitions are you referring to moving between different articulations or between the notes on the same articulation?

    I'm going to play around with the start, attack and release as well perhaps creating different versions on the same patch/articulation which might help with transitions between notes also.

    VSL is so HUGE in it's customisation abilities so i'm approaching it from tiny points :)

    Thanks again for your help!

    Hugely helpful


  • Paulo,

    Re: Vel X-Fade and solo instruments, if you read that here then someone feels that way. Suggest you experiment and find out if you agree. 

    The Slot X-Fade has to do with the VI Pro slots in the upper right-hand area. I suggest you find and read the manual section that that covers the slots. I looked for a video that covered it and came up empty. Perhaps someone else here has a link to a video.  I really haven't yet exploited this fantastic feature.

    As you say, the capabilities of VI Pro are extensive, so much so that it's almost impossible to work it all out in a short time. Every year I make a little progress, and there's much more progress to make.


    Synchron - Woods, Brass, Perc I, Str Pro, Elite Str, Duality Str & Sordino, Prime Studio - Woods, Perc, Solo Str, Ch Str, Orch Str, App Str, Harps, Choir Studio Dim - Brass, Strings VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D, Vienna Suite Pro Cubase 14, Studio One 6, Dorico 5
  • Hey,

    Thanks for the response again.

    I experimented last night on the violin, flute and vienna horn and to me they sounded fine using the velocity x-fade using the performance legato patches. Maybe it doesn't work so well with other patches.

    Here is a video from VSL that discusses stacking and slot x-fade:



    Thanks