@JimmyHellfire said:

[....] I don't see why anyone would want synthetic sound sources to sit in some kind of "natural" ambience either. It's completely counterintuitive. Just imagine how silly that wound sound.

Ha! This is most likely the first time on these pages that I don't agree with you completely, Jimmy. 8-)

As a matter of fact using MIR Pro is a great way to add some "dimension" to otherwise two-dimensional synthetic sounds. And an example, I used the drier MIR Venues like ORF Studio 2 or even Studio Weiler / Stoneroom for some extra "fat" in synth-stabs quite often (... which does wonder on "wall-of-sound"-like power chords from electric guitars, too).

Other scenarios I ran into: Imagine some dry "blips" and "clicks" that melt into an acoustic percussion-set, or a "Lucky Man"-like synth solo that benefits a lot from a huge cathedral, or some airy pad that suddenly gains a choir-like quality from some real space. It goes without saying that all sounds with some kind of "hybrid" appeal that sound quasi-realistic (like you get from Physical Modelling syths) are especially thankful for some MIR treatment. 😉

Just keep in mind that less can be more in these cases, so don't be shy to reduce the dry/wet-ratios to something like 30/70 or even 20/80 in a non-orechstral conetxt.

Kind regards,

@Another User said:

crappy programming will be audible 

How else should it be...? 😄

Thanks for the insights on those aspects. 😊 And also thank you Dietz, for your comment about that. Was it me, who caused a rift in the fabric of the Jimmy-Dietz continuum? 😄 This aspect becomes available MIR Pro only, though...

So, you're voting for Teldex... And I'm swaying between exactly that and Sage (everytime I'm writing Gate, then Slate and then I have to look it up... 🤔)

Kind regards,
Lukas

@Dietz said:

As a matter of fact using MIR Pro is a great way to add some "dimension" to otherwise two-dimensional synthetic sounds. And an example, I used the drier MIR Venues like ORF Studio 2 or even Studio Weiler / Stoneroom for some extra "fat" in synth-stabs quite often (... which does wonder on "wall-of-sound"-like power chords from electric guitars, too).

Other scenarios I ran into: Imagine some dry "blips" and "clicks" that melt into an acoustic percussion-set, or a "Lucky Man"-like synth solo that benefits a lot from a huge cathedral, or some airy pad that suddenly gains a choir-like quality from some real space.

You're right of course and after posting, I in fact thought that I should correct myself because my wording was misleading. I guess it came across as saying " keep synthetic sources bone-dry" and "don't use MIR for non-orchestral sounds".

What I was trying to say that one doesn't necessarily by default need to try and position a synthetic/electric element on the orchestra stage, because even if the orchestral content of a hybrid score was recorded live - the synths, heavy guitars etc. most probably weren't there in the first place, and would have probably sounded weird if they were.

I was thinking of stuff like the Iron Man soundtrack, that has a typical Hollywood orchestral score combined with heavy guitars that sound like you would expect them to sound on a rock record. They obviously didn't have Tom Morello sitting on the stage, somewhere in front of the 1. and 2. violins, with his Tele and Marshall, rocking it out with the orchestra ...  😃

Hello to all,
I would like to purchase one MIRx extension but I am not quite sure which one between the Teldex Scoring Stage or the Mozartsaal is more suited for a chamber like sound, nothing too big or epic.

Thanks a lot in advance for any help.

Best Regards,

Max

Hi and welcome Max,

considering the fact that the Mozartsaal of Vienna Konzerthaus is one of the world's most coveted places for chamber music concerts, I would say that the choice is obvious. ;-)

Teldex Studio Berlin has a beautiful signature sound which you've heard on many recordings, so you might get great results, too, but the settings I've created for its MIRx presets are consciously directed towards a more "cinematic" sound.

Kind regards,

Hi Dietz,

Thanks a lot for your kind reply!

Yesterday I went ahead and purchased the MIRx Teldex Scoring Stage but before the promotion runs out today, I may also get the Mozartsaal.

I would like to ask if in the Vienna Suite (normal version) there are any Teldex and Mozartsaal impulses that can be used with either the convolution or Hybrid reverbs, so I can use them with non VSL libraries to match the space(s) when I use the VSL SE with MIRx.

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Kind Regards,

Max

Vienna Suite's Convolution Reverb comes with an exemplary IR from Mozartsaal and a small selection of IRs from Teldex Studio, but you will have to decide yourself it that's enough to match MIR. ;-) 

Kind regards,

Hi Dietz,

Thanks a lot for your kind reply!

When you are saying that "but you will have to decide yourself it that's enough to match MIR", you mean that perhaps Vienna Suite is not enough and may need to look into MIR Pro?

Cheers,

Max

@Another User said:

When you are saying that "but you will have to decide yourself it that's enough to match MIR", you mean that perhaps Vienna Suite is not enough and may need to look into MIR Pro?

Well - in the end, it boils down to this. 😉 You might get convincing results as long as you just want to add a few elements which don't necessarly need to find "their own spot" on the stage, but as soon as you try to push several instruments farther away from the listener to clearly defined positions, just adding some generic IRs from the same hall won't do the trick. MIR does so much more than "just reverb" to a signal, and that's hard to mimic with conventional mixing approaches.

... but I suggest that you try the different options yourself! There are 30-days fully functional demos for Vienna Suite and MIR Pro. 😊

Kind regards,

Hello Dietz,

Once again thanks a lot for your help and suggestions!

I am very new when it comes to using reverb and placing instruments in a virtual stage... MIR looks awsome but it is too expensive for me at present.

Will try the free demos and see what results I can achieve.

All the very best,

Max