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  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi, 

    Thanks, William!

    Just wanted to add: It´s actually 16 slots  for each cell nowin VI PRO. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Hello William and Paul,

    Yes, I've VI Pro (the old one, with 8 slots) and I often use this tecnic, specially with strings.

    I've tryed and actually it perfectly works with organ too, creating an effect that I don't think it exist in reality: a slot "cross fade" between 2 stops or registers. I'll ask to my friend organist. VERY INTERESTING! 

    What I'm not able to do (I'll go back to the VI Pro manual) is to shift, or switch, between slot 1 to slot 2 (in vertical).

    From 1a to 1b I do it in Hyper Editor (Logic). but how to move in vertical? I'll study it.

    Anyway, very usefull tip! I'll let you know If I discover some other thing. 😝

    Thanks a lot and let's go on!

    Roberto
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    Paul - wow!  16?  I've got to get the new version.  That is fantastic.

    Roberto, there is no need to do a crossfade unless you want.  If you do not mark an "X" between the slots, then they just play equally, so it is the same as layering them.  With 16 now - you can do any concievable "custom" registration of this great instrument.   

    On switching between the slots, you don't need to because you can switch to a different cell which has a different layout corresponding to the changes you want.  The slots are there for creating single customized voice which in the case of the organ would be a particular registration not already covered in the registration samples.

    I am very interested in this because it is such a beautiful job of recording one of the great organs of the world.  Certainly one of the most outstanding sample libraries VSL ever released.
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    @William said:

    On switching between the slots, you don't need to because you can switch to a different cell which has a different layout corresponding to the changes you want.  The slots are there for creating single customized voice which in the case of the organ would be a particular registration not already covered in the registration samples.



    Exactly. As William points out, slots aren't designed for the purpose od switching between different patches, that's what cells are for. (This seems to be a relatively common misunderstanding, I often notice VSL users at first having some conceptual difficulties with getting patch-slot-cell-matrix-preset relations right.)
  • R
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    Yes, dear Williams and Goran

    This was a misunderstdanding for me too, because I never was in need to create a new complex sound. Now it's clear. Slots, for the organ, are ment to create new regitstrations. And this will be very usefull.

    Still my "problem" is: how to have a, let's say, 4 voices counterpoint (SATB) with 4 different registrations (1 for each voice - in 3 different manuals + the pedals)? Still the only way I see is to create 4 tracks, each one with a different organ (VI pro in VE Pro).

    This the structure, the rest is "the color". 

    I'll be away one week...

    Thanks a lot for your time

    Roberto
  • M
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    Use Vienna Ensemble and load four instances of Vienna Instruments PRO, one for each SATB Voice. Now you simply use a polyphonic organ staff in Locics Score editor. As you probably know, logics per-note Midi channel controls the polyphony in the score editor. When you set the track's midi output setting (in the property section of the arrange window) to "all" the per-note channel-information will be forwarded to Vienna Ensemble, so that notes on channel 4 will be played by your 4th instance of VI, which should be your pedal-manual.
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    Paul,

    I actually have the latest version of VI and just found out why I didn't know there were 16 slots - I always build custom presets and the additional 8 are totally hidden until the cursor moves over the field while placing a patch into the slot or the cell !  Otherwise, it looks exactly like it looked when there were only 8.

    Best,

    Bill
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Bill, 

    That´s why I thought I´d point it out once again. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    VSL is simply doing too many improvements to keep track of !  😮
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    Hello MassMover,

    sorry for my late answer but I've been away.

    So, yes, in this way it works. The only limit is that in this way I still can't  control every single voice (channel). What if I want to change register, let's say, only to the S or the A, or any other voice indipendently?

    Of course I can control the change of the patches in the matrix in Hiper Editor (Logic) via Controllers but when I do so I can control only 1 voice. The others dont reacts.

    The only way I can have a full control is creating four different tracks, each with one organ, and than I can do whatever I want as in a string quartet. Of course I've than I've to copy in a realistic score (in Finale) the all work.It's not too bad.

    Do you have any other idea?

    thanks a lot

    Roberto
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Did you actually try my suggestion, using the tracks of Vienna Ensemble for controlling your registrations? Pulling up the track volume is then like bringing in an additional stop. All instruments can respond to the same MIDI-channel, or just four different ones for manuals and pedal.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I would think that if you set the midi channel of the controller that switches your matrix to the corresponding value that should also be forwarded to VE, so when you insert a controller on channel 4 this should only affect your 4th instance of VI inside VE.
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    Even if it is a combination of all which was said above...

    Have a look here as well: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vi-tips--tricks-3/index.php (no. 22.)

    Best

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • R
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    So, dear friends, thanks to all of you FINALLY I'VE GOT IT!

    The way I' ve chosen is:

    1. In Logic I create a 4 voices track (channel 1.3.4.5.) and set it to MIDI Channel: ALL.

    2. In VE Pro I insert 4 organs each one corrisponding to a channel (1.3.4.5.)

    3. I control the orizzontal movements into the Matrice via Velocity. The vertical movement into the Matrice are done via 4 "tracks" (or Event Definitions, in Logic language) in Hyper Editor set as "Control", each one on the corrispondent channel (1.3.4.5).

    4. The Slot XFade is controlled in a similar way via 4 "tracks" in Hyper Editor. This is very usefull to change register during a long note or chord, for very powerfull effects.

    Everything works perfecttly! I really wish to thank all of you for the great help. 

    All the best to you

    Roberto