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  • Are MIRx And Vienna Suite Reverbs To Be Used In Combination Or Separately?

    Last year I bought all three current MIRx venues, and as someone quite inexperienced in sound engineering this product has been very helpful.

    This year I am eyeing my prospective Vienna purchases, and several products are competing for my attention. Among them is the Vienna Suite.

    Among the features of the Vienna Suite that interest me is are the reverbs, both Convolution and Hybrid. But I am unclear if the employment of MIRx for spatial placement will conflict with the reverbs in the Vienna Suite, so that rather than VS complementing MIRx it will become an either/or proposition.

    I will be using the 30-day trial soon, but can someone clarify this? If both can be employed at the same time, how would one go about approaching it?


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  • It seems from watching the Vienna videos on the reverbs in VS that they are doing the same thing as the MIRx reverbs with regard to ER's and Tails, so it seems it would indeed be an either/or proposition, with VS giving you control over a myriad of parameters wherease MIRx makes all those choices for you behind the scenes. So does this mean that MIRx is a specific easy-to-use tool that combines limited aspects of MIR full and VS?


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  • Careful there, the reverbs in the VS do not do the same thing as MIRx. MIRx doesn't combine aspects of MIR and VS - it's the little brother of MIR. The Vienna Suite convolution and hybrid reverbs are different kind of tools.

    They are reverb plug-ins in a traditional sense. You set up a reverb and send your audio/VST outputs through. MIR/MIRx is a "multi impulse response" software. They don't send all the instruments through one reverb - every instrument gets its own convolver with their own impulse responses, and has its individual "spatial representation" in the virtual room that's being simulated.

    Technically, MIRx does the same thing as MIR (and sounds the same), but without giving access to all those parameters and in-depth functions MIR comes with. So, MIRx is the easy-to-use, stripped-down plug-and-play version of MIR.

    An experienced engineer could use the VS reverbs and power pan to create comparable results - for example, by setting up multiple instances of convolution reverb for the ERs of different instrument sections, and creating the reverb tail with the algorithmic reverb. But unless you really know your stuff, I would say that MIRx will most probably do a better job putting the VSL instruments in a plausible sounding space that one could by traditional means.

    MIRx is intended to be used on its own, it doesn't rely on any additional panning or reverberation. You can of course experiment with reverb plugins in addition MIR/MIRx. It can work fo tails - if you pull the MIRx dry/wet slider all the way to "dry", you sort of keep the spatial positioning of the instrument, but eliminate the reverb tail of the venue. You could then create the tail with a reverb plugin and send the VST outputs through that. It can actually sound pretty good. But it's more something that you can potentially get away with, so to speak - not something you should be doing. As said, MIRx is intended to do the job on its own without you having to set up additional reverbs or panning things around manually.


  • Thank you, Jimmy, for the correction and for the extended and very clear response. As I understand that response, it confirms what I suspected, that MIRx is not intended to be used in conjunction with Vienna Suite reverbs. I also understand your point that one can "turn off" the MIRx reverbs using the Dry/Wet slider, retaining it's positioning features, and then employ VS reverbs.

    This helps me make choices about what I intend to get this year.


    Synchron - Woods, Brass, Perc I, Str Pro, Elite Str, Duality Str & Sordino, Prime Studio - Woods, Perc, Solo Str, Ch Str, Orch Str, App Str, Harps, Choir Studio Dim - Brass, Strings VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D, Vienna Suite Pro Cubase 14, Studio One 6, Dorico 5
  • (... chiming in late, just to confim that everything JimmyHellfire wrote above is spot-on. Thanks for that! :-) ...)


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library