Timpani SIngle-Hits in Special edition volume 1 normal or not?

[Vanhapolle]

Timpani SIngle-Hits in Special edition volume 1. I think is normal but i dont understand why is this way.(I think this way becouse product is developed long time hard belive such a bug..).with AB switch A position A#1-C4 plays something also A#4-C7 plays something but when i select B only A#1-C4 plays something. i say something becouse i dont know if they play correct things... secco versi0n does same.

[herb]

A-switch offer the "live performer" option. Individual samples are mapped for left hand (lower range) and right hand (upper range).

B-switch is the notation orientated mapping, the left/right hand samples alternate on the same key.

best

Herb

[Vanhapolle]

@herb said:

A-switch offer the "live performer" option. Individual samples are mapped for left hand (lower range) and right hand (upper range).

B-switch is the notation orientated mapping, the left/right hand samples alternate on the same key.

best

Herb

Huh. which means all is well.

[Ege]

I have two related questions ( I think).

 

I have recently purchased the Percussion Bundle, which includes Timpani samples.

 

1.  I have a second group of keys, beginning at B4, that are highlighted, as though pressing them on the graphical keyboard interface would produce sounds.  They don't and remain silent.  The lower group of keys, beginning at B1, work.  This is on the "Timpani B Medium Mallet" matrix.  I have loaded the preset Sibelius-Percussion 1.4-Timpani-Extended-Timpani BL2.  What am I doing wrong?  This silent set of keys is supposed to be the for right hand and has a Technique Command is Sibelius, "R", which is supposed to call it into use.  I've tried using that Technique Command without success, and have loaded the VSL House Style into Sibelius 7.5.1.

 

2.  When using the Sibelius Soundset, what are the commands for switching mallets (as mentioend in the Manual "Optimizing Sibelius Playback" version 2.7)?

 

I hate to leave all those keys and articulations unused!

 

Thanks

 

Steve

[andi]

Hello Steve!

With the VE Percussion sound set and the according VI presets loaded, the B switch with alternating left hand and right hand samples is chosen. That's why you don't hear samples in the upper area.

All details on how to trigger different articulations and use different mallets can be found in the "VE Percussion sound set" manual that has been installed on your computer by the "VSL Soundset Installer". On Mac this manual can be found under Applications/VSL Sibelius Soundsets. On a Windows computer it can be found in the Start menu under VSL Sibelius Soundsets or in the folder Program Files (x86)\VSL Sibelius Soundsets.

Best regards,
Andi

[Ege]

Hi Andi!

 

Just to be sure I understand:

 

The A/B switch changes between live performance and notation performance (the latter the one being used by me).  For us notation users, we select "B" which is the default when you load the samples.  When "B" is loaded, a repeated note is struck first by one hand, and then by the other.  I assume the "L" and "R" technique text commands refered to in the Soundset Manual allows you to SPECIFY WHICH hand strikes the note, rather than alternating.  The "A" is for those using a keyboard to play live.  When selected, BOTH sets of illuminated graphical keys send out sounds, each keyboard covering a strike by a different hand (limited to 2!).

 

As for switching mallets, which you can do only with Timpani B preset loaded, this unfortunately is limited to keyswitches.  You can't, for example, add Technique Text "Felt Mallet" and have VI Pro switch to samples for that mallet.  Instead of actually entering keyswitch notes, you can enter hidden text in the format:  "~NX,Y OX,Y".  X and Y are numbers between 0 and 127 representing, respectively, the note number and velocity (volume) of a key strike.  For C0, the note number is 14.  Y can be any value, as it will not sound anyway. "N" is for note ON, and "O" is for note OFF.  The "~" is to hide the Technique Text, as we do with Control Codes for faders on VI Pro.  So for example, "~N17,64 O17,63" triggers the "Finger" Mallet for Timpanum B.  Note that there is a SPACE between "64 and O", important for the format.  Also, when counting up from 12 (C0) to get to F0, remember that from E to F is only s half step, hence E0 is 16 and F0 is 17.

 

It would be nice if there were tecnique text for mallet changes in the soundset, instead of these MIDI codes, which are difficult to remember.

 

Thanks, Andi, for your help.

 

Steve

[andi]

Hello Steve!

You don't have to choose the B switch manually. This is done automatically by the sound set. Technique text commands like "Felt mallets" will work, if you have the "Vienna Symphonic Library" House Style for Sibelius loaded. It's not necessary to use MIDI commands.

Best,
Andi

[Ege]

Well . . .

 

I took out my coded keyswitch commands and just used Technique Text entries for "Medium Mallet" and "Finger", which are, respectively, C0 and FO on the Timpani B L2 preset.

 

I did get swtching, but not always to what I had indicated, and sometimes when not requested.  For "Mediium Mallet" I got "Medium-Hard Mallet" articulations (C#0), but also "Medium Mallet" (C0).  I also got some uncommanded changes, to "Hard Mallet" and "Finger".  Perhaps all this has to do with the "Performance" section of "Play" in Sibelius 7.5.1.  I have "Expresssivo" set to "Expressivo", "Rubato" set to "Mechanical" and "Rhythmic Feel" set to "Straight."

 

It sounds good, so I'll leave it there for a while.

 

Thanks again for you help.

 

S.

[andi]

If you have Sound IDs from earlier in your score which are not reset, these Sound IDs may add up and can produce erratic behaviour. In such cases it might help to reset the Sound ID with an "ord." or "normal" before introducing a new Technique Text command. The settings in the Performance menu are not related to this.

Best,
Andi