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    I've a piece for trumpet, French horn and trombone that needs quarter tones. What is the best way of achieving this, using Cubase and Vienna Ensemble? I'd thought about having separate tracks for all the out of tune notes then detuning them globally by a quarter tone - is this the best approach? How do I specify the detuning?

    Thanks

    Charles
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    I use the pitch bend lane in the key editor in Cubase for such things.  Full value is 8192 in either direction in the pitch bend lane, so if the instrument is set to pitch bend full value = a whole tone, divide by 4 = 2048.

    Or there are other strategies, but until you indicate what the instrument is, the sequencer is objectively what it is, and I prefer that kind of pitch work from pitch bend. Particular intonations, say rational intonations and so forth I prefer working with the instrument if possible.
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    Thanks - I've tried adding in a pitch-bend lane, but I can't get it to have any effect... [:(] 

    Is there something I need to do within VE to tell it to take notice of pitch-bend commands?  If I make changes within VE, do I have to do anything within Cubase to pick the changes up?
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    I suppose so; for instance for Vienna Instruments you have to assign pitch bend to 'wheel', in the Control Map.

    If it's another instrument that isn't taking pitch bend it must be enabled there... And no, Cubase is sending, it is up to the instrument to receive, no subsequent adustment to Cubase.
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    Thanks - got it to work, once I'd updated the correct instance of the Vienna Ensemble! As it's quite hard to set it to exactly 2048 for individual notes, I think I'll create double tracks, one to hold the normal notes and one to hold the explicitly quarter tone notes, and shift everything down in the second track by 2048.

    Incidentally, how do I remove a redundant VE instance from a Cubase project, so I don't get confused again...?

    The pitch bend thing may also solve my problem of not having a low Ab on the trombone SE sample library!  Take the Bass Trombone A natural down by 4096 and Bob may be my uncle!
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    Yeah, the graphical tools don't seem to place things at what typically is a useful division of 8192 by default. Sometimes when I have specified, eg., 4096 frequently the pencil tool or what-have-you will locate the point there, but I can't depend on it. But I do a lot in the pitch bend lane so I'm typing things in the info line.

    Remove the instance in the VST Rack [F11].
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    C

    "Remove the instance in the VST Rack [F11]."

    Probably being thick, but once I get to the VST Rack [F11 as you say], I can't see anything that allows me to delete/remove it...

    But thanks for the advice
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    Click in the area where you see Vienna Ensemble, and then on
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    Thanks - easy when you know how! [:$]