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@MS said:
With VSTi's it is not a problem, but are you aware of any hosts which support effects with 2ch input / 4ch output plugins?
I'm speculating that Reaper might support effects with 2ch input / 4ch output. I would test to see if it really can, if I knew of a VST 2.4 plugin with 2-in / 4-out to test it on. Do you know of any such plugins (free ones would be nice for this test)?
I have no idea about other DAW's being one way or the other.
@MS said:
Even if the standard would support such a thing, if no DAW's do, what use would there be for you? Unfortunately I don't know of any plugins trying to do what you are suggesting. Even if they would, I would believe the DAW control over the two streams would be limited.
In my previous post I was only speculating, but now I've tested and confirmed that Reaper supports VST 2.4 FX with 2ch input / 4ch output, and without limitations. So, indeed there are hosts that would support this functionality from MIR.
I'm not assuming many MIR users are using Reaper, and I'm able to user VE-regular when I want to separate Dry and Wet, but now we know there's at least one host that can do this.
I assume that AAX / ProTools would also be able to handle it in a similar way. But even if VSL adapts MIR Pro's plug-in version to all the different plug-in standards and their peculiarities - the main problem remains: To do something meaningful with those seperated signals, in a meaningful way. You will still have to find ways to route them to individual busses for further processing, for example.
Apart from that, MIR Pro is not just about stereo. As soon as we talk about surround setups, the whole issue would be even more problematic.
Kind regards,
@Dietz said:
... the main problem remains: To do something meaningful with those seperated signals, in a meaningful way. You will still have to find ways to route them to individual busses for further processing, for example....
I've tested and confirmed that Reaper supports VST 2.4 FX with 2ch input / 4ch output -- specifically routing the two separate stereo outputs to individual busses for further processing (analogous to the VE functionality described on p. 44 of the MIR Pro Manual, v.1.1).
I've even tested / confirmed that MIRacle can be applied to these Reaper busses separately and individually (analogous to the VE functionality described on pp. 53 and 54 of the MIR Pro Manual, v.1.1).
I don't know about ProTools, but the "main problem" you describe is no problem in Reaper.
Would that be buses, or just channels? The MIR Pro plugin supports configurations such as 2 in / 4 out already, in a quad mic setup. The problem lies in bus handling. Would Reaper handle an FX plugin with 2 output buses, where one bus has 2 channels (dry signal) and the other 4 channels (reverb)?
The support for specialized bus handling differs a lot between different hosts and plugin standards. It is therefore very hard to find a general solution which addresses this.
The support for specialized bus handling differs a lot between different hosts and plugin standards. It is therefore very hard to find a general solution which addresses this.
I understand that. I can only tell you what Reaper can do. I can get by without separate Dry / Wet from the plugin, since I can use VE-regular when I need separate Wet / Dry. I just can't agree that this limitation is imposed by the VST spec or by Reaper, since they're both able to do this.
The MIR Pro plugin supports configurations such as 2 in / 4 out already, in a quad mic setup. The problem lies in bus handling. Would Reaper handle an FX plugin with 2 output buses, where one bus has 2 channels (dry signal) and the other 4 channels (reverb)?
Reaper can handle that too.
How did you test this?
@MS said:
How did you test this?
For the 2-ch VSTi, I used VI-regular. For the plugin, I used ReaSurround (VST 2.4), configured to 2ch-in / 6 ch-out. In Reaper it's straightforward to route the 6 ch-out to:
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Ok, but it still doesn't handle multiple buses from the plugin itself, all it does is to remap the output channels of the plugin. It would of course be possible for me to output the dry sound to some extra channels of the plugin, but this would pretty much break the behavior in hosts that don't have the remapping possibility of reaper.
@MS said:
Ok, but it still doesn't handle multiple buses from the plugin itself, all it does is to remap the output channels of the plugin.
Under VST 2.4, I don't understand any difference between "handling multiple busses from the plugin itself" and remapping the output channels of the plugin.
