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@DG said:
... it would be good to post some examples of a "too loud" transition....
Clarinet example here:
[url]http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/37983.aspx[/url]
I guess for the legato samples, they sampled a clarinetist who played his instrument strangely louder during the transitions. I'd thought legato meant maintaining contant volume while changing pitches.
I also would like to have this legato volume control. Other libraries already have it, so I don´t see why there should be a problem to the VSL tech team.
Other libraries bolt a transition onto a sustain, so the transition is actually a separate file. That's why it's easy to give users a transition control. The only way to do it in VSL with the current player would be to have a control similar to the stretch control and maybe that's something that the team could consider for the future.
DG
I also would like to have this legato volume control. Other libraries already have it, so I don´t see why there should be a problem to the VSL tech team.
Other libraries bolt a transition onto a sustain, so the transition is actually a separate file.
After my previous post, I thought some more and realize my example was of a patch where they did in fact bolt a transition onto a sustain, not regular legato but:
/B - Woodwind patches/46 Clarinets - a3/98 RESOURCES/03 Perf Speed variation/01 KL-3_perf-leg_sustain
When I play the same thing with the regular legato patch, it's not so bumpy in the volume. My apologies to the carinetist, as it seems the erratic volume is due to the editing of the samples.
@DG said:
... it would be good to post some examples of a "too loud" transition....
Clarinet example here:
http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/37983.aspx
Sorry, I don't want to have to download an extra app just to play a wav file.
DG
I don't know of any app you'd need to download. I posted a wav file in Google Drive. When I click the link I posted, it gives me an option to play the wav in my browser or to download it and play it locally on my machine. I thought it was common to post files that way on music forums. It doesn't require any more mouse-clicks or effort than listening to something on SoundCloud, and it spares listeners the sound-degradation which SoundCloud adds to wav files. But suit yourself.
@DG said:
... it would be good to post some examples of a "too loud" transition....
Clarinet example here:
http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/37983.aspx
Sorry, I don't want to have to download an extra app just to play a wav file.
DG
It plays just fine for me, at least in Chrome, without extra downloads. Or are you on a mobile system? Anyway the transitions are quite loud in that example. I've seen similar things while using VSL myself and it does seem like something that could get ironed out in scripting.
This seems to be one of the most-often-requested features in VSL so I think it would be worth looking into. Implementation should be easy by having a script play a soft fade-in between the old sample and the new for the first, idk, 1/8th of a second, which could also be an automatable value. Sure not all transitions are the same but they are always close enough in time that one value would cover most situations, and offering an automatable slider would cover the rest.
Hi,
I´d check the Polyphonic Legato Video for VI PRO. You can change the Start Offset time of the legatos in the "Advanced Tab" of the Advanced View, this way you also get different legato transitions (by shortening the transition). Starts around 2:10
Best,
Paul
@Paul said:
Hi,
I´d check the Polyphonic Legato Video for VI PRO. You can change the Start Offset time of the legatos in the "Advanced Tab" of the Advanced View, this way you also get different legato transitions (by shortening the transition). Starts around 2:10
Best,
Paul
Here's a demo of the results when I follow that recommendation. Two phrases: the first is how the patch plays by default in VI Pro, and the second is how it plays after I've changed the Start Offset time:
[url]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ZYXb_HdIQhVTQyQkFKUWRJVE0/edit?usp=sharing[/url]
The patch for both phrases is:
/B - Woodwind patches/46 Clarinets - a3/98 RESOURCES/03 Perf Speed variation/01 KL-3_perf-leg_sustain
After watching the video, I didn't understand the difference between Start Offset and Start Offset Attack, so I set both of them to the values shown in the video.
This is a leg_sustain patch, so there's looping. When I pay attention to the pattern of the looping (testing on F-Sharp-3 with a low note-on velocity, after a legato transition from G3), I hear a cycle of 3 samples, each a crescendo. Since there is grafting of samples here, I wonder why VSL doesn't give us an option to adjust the relative volume of the transition samples.
@DG said:
it would be good to post some examples of a "too loud" transition, so that we can all agree as to what we are hearing.
Here are the files I posted previously, now hosted in Dropbox since Google-Drive wasn't working for multiple people.
Here are the clarinets at default, as described earlier:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dki19hipzyc3ci/r053-005%20Clarinet%20test_3.wav?dl=0
and here are the clarinets after adjusting them according to the recommended video, as also described previously (Phrase #1: at default. Phrase #2: adjusted.):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ax5is5nzbdvqthf/r053-005%20Clarinet%20test_9.wav?dl=0
I also have the same problem being described with bumpy legatos. This is especially true with the older vsl libraries and/or patches that have fewer legato velocity layers than sustain velocity layers.
I think Dave may have been suggesting this earlier, and I would agree that a nice additional option to start offset would be a volume envelope approach similar to the envelope for time stretching in VIPRO. The envelope, of course, would need to apply only to the legato transition layer.
