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    @demozic said:

    [When I insert "VEP Audio Input" plug-in there is no signal in the output of the track (whatever it is : audio, aux, master, instrument etc), there is no audio ... this is odd. That's why I suggested to add a "Thru" button/option to let the signal go through the" VE Pro Audio Input" plug-in.

    I tried and tried, I spent a long time trying to read you. It's as though you have a different first language than I do, and mine is English.

    If you do this properly with a host that works correctly, you won't have this problem as I read it. This is why I gave you a picture.

    "Sends": to an FX Channel - you can call it AUX, Bus, whatever - "IN echoes". The insert on "IN echoes" is VE Pro Audio Input, connected to instance "7" input 1-2. A signal does get through to 'echoes' in VE Pro '7' and returns to Cubase in the channels '7 Master' (and, not seen, the channel '17-18' according to 'DIFF' which 'echoes' sends to). It really just works. There is no trouble getting the signal to the input channel and there is no trouble getting the signal through, to the outputs and back to the host, Cubase. Evidently my guess as to what you're doing failed. I don't have Pro Tools and I don't know what to tell you you are missing here. But what you are suggesting as a feature ("Thru") is how it actually works. I'm sorry. There is no 'muting', no 'blocking'. Something_is_wrong.
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    To reiterate, to be sure I have really laid this out for you:

    @demozic said:

    a "Thru" button/option to let the signal go through the "VE Pro Audio Input" plug-in.
    If the [DAW] track has an insert filled with "VE Pro Audio Input" and it is connected to a working VEP instance, eg., '1-2' and you have made an 'Input channel' '1-2' in that working instance, you are sending the audio in that [DAW] track at 0dB. If you have an 'aux' channel with VE Pro Audio Input residing in, inserted onto that channel, you are sending according to that send level; ibid.

    It works; it sends a signal. The functionality of this does in no way block that initial audio. There is something wrong there. I have no idea what.
    "you can put it on an instrument track but also on any other kind of tracks". What I have been telling you is VE Pro IS an instrument type of track. The only guess is similar to my past guess. Are you not handling it as an instrument track? 

    There is no call for this 'Thru' button. It_gets_through, no problem. It just works.
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    I give up... (explaining this to you)
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    I also figured out how to offline bounce VEP send/return FX. It is weird (not logical) but it is a Pro Tools thing...
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    Well it's 2014 now, and I'm considering getting VEP 5 strictly for mixing large projects. Did they ever do an update where you can return the signal from VEP back to the original source channel in the DAW (Logic X in my case)? It sounds like, for each track that involves an effect plugin from VEP on the slave, that it requires an additional aux channel and an additional bus depending on what you are doing. And that's only if you use 1 plugin, or consecutive plugins, from the slave. If I wanted to treat a guitar track with 5 plugins, and #2 and #4 were on the slave machine, I suppose that would require 4 channels in addition to the source guitar? How do mixers organize their template? Do they decide to apply VEP plugins on certain sections only, like just the drum tracks, or just the effects buses, or just the sub groups? I hear composers rave about VEP 5, deservedly so. But are pro mixers actually using this? I'm trying to wrap my brain around this. Unfortunately they do not allow you to run the VEP 5 demo unless you've previously purchased one of their products. I wish Logic continued the nodes. I am unfamiliar with Wormhole 2, but I'm going to look into it. Any other options for connecting mac machines with Logic X?
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    There won't be an "update" for this, because VEP is working the way it was designed to work.

    TBH if you are only thinking of using it for FX, it would probably be better just to get a faster computer.

    DG
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    I use VEP 5 with Ableton 9 and love it! I read this thread and perhaps this will help: How I use VEP as an Outboard Effects Board for Vocals (or anything else) Within your DAW =============== Your will need 1 instance of VE in a Instrument Track - This will be your ALL Vocal Output channel that will be sent to the Master output of your DAW Insert VE Audio Input in a return/aux channel - Assigned to unused input in VE (e.g. 1-2) Create an audio Track (This is the track you will be recording on) Send the signal of the Audio Track you just created to the Aux channel you just created Within VE ========== Create an Bus and route the output to the Master Bus (ch 1-2) Create an Input channel; change input to receive audio from desired Return/Aux channel in your DAW (e.g. 1-2) You can route the output of your input channel to the Master bus OR to your bus 1; You can add effects to either channel strip Results ======== Record your Audio in your DAW if you havn't already You should hear your Wet Signal from the same Instrument track you inserted the VE Instance on Advantages of this set up ========================== Control Send Automation,Muting and UnMuting for each recorded track within your daw;You only need one track per audio recording. Add DAW Inserts Before sending to VE The Instrument Track that contains the Instance of VE behaves as a Group ALL Vocals track,yet you still have control of the individual Vocal tracks
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    @evan_1347 said:

    I have a problem to assign more than 1 Audio input.  I thought I could use an VE Pro server instance as a Reverb FX host and 1 Audio Input is fine but as soon as I assign the second audio input the "reverbs" distorts. Tried all buffers. Both on local host Mac Pro 6 core and network PC Q6600 HP.

    Running Pro Tools HD10 with 256 samples buffer - no go

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    Logic 9.1.5 - no go

    Well, I have on a number of occasions used numerous instances of Vienna Suite Hybrid Reverb from audio or from instrument channels from other VEP instances. However I do end up upping the latency. I'm using Cubase 5.5.3 though. I tend to make a single stereo output/instrument channel coming back. It does gobble CPU. If you're not even able to get two, you need more muscle or a better fit for VEP than PT or Logic, I say.
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    Nice one, I had been thinking about this for a while, trying to spread my cpu consumption onto my slave once I had bounced out all my slave tracks to audio. I could easily do it if I spent $$$$ on digigrid et.c but hey this has the same capabilities, I'm going to try using VEPro as an ITB summing mixer, run all my sub groups into VEPro process them on the slave and run them all back to one track in Logic, i'm gonna set up a standard group patch and maybe a Michael Brauer style summing situation, if you standardise your buss mixing in your DAW you could try many different mixing/mastering solutions with a just few clicks... Smoke me a kipper, I'l be back for breakfast.
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    @demozic said:

    When I insert "VEP Audio Input" plug-in there is no signal in the output of the track (whatever it is : audio, aux, master, instrument etc), there is no audio ... this is odd. That's why I suggested to add a "Thru" button/option to let the signal go through the" VE Pro Audio Input" plug-in  

    I get it now; you expect the track or bus where the 'FX = VE Pro Audio Input' resides as an insert to show signal. It doesn't, it is a waystation to send to the external rack in the form of VE Pro input receiving the send. EG: it does appear to block the signal in the DAW host, you are absolutely right. So a print of that channel is always empty. I make a bus to send to with AI inserted, rather than insert directly. And that bus isn't showing signal, because it is not really anything in itself in terms of Cubase or apparently PT. I understand what you want now, but I think that is not likely to happen because it's a different design completely.

    And at least in terms of Cubase that print doesn't happen offline. EDIT: recently under a different OS I find that Cubase (with Audio Input instantiated) will not export until Realtime Export is ticked.
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    RIght, so now it's 2015. I just spent my Sunday afternoon reading the manual cover to cover, seraching through thraeds, etc. until I came across this occasional but ongoing discussion. So VE pro can effectively function as a very effective effect send, but it can't functionas an insert effect. I get it now, but I also hope VI gets that this is not at all clear in their advertising. I use some vienna symphonic orchestra stuff and I'm happy to support the company in general, but one of the main inducements for me to buy VE pro was the added value of using it as a host for complext effect chains that I wanted to be able to save. And I wanted to use them mainly as insert effects, not send effects. After rereading all of this, I just went back and reread the product description on VSI's site. I submit that the send-only paradigm is not at all clear from their description.  So one balck mark against VSI from me, though I generally love their stuff.
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    @eurotheater said:

    Well it's 2014 now, and I'm considering getting VEP 5 strictly for mixing large projects. Did they ever do an update where you can return the signal from VEP back to the original source channel in the DAW (Logic X in my case)? It sounds like, for each track that involves an effect plugin from VEP on the slave, that it requires an additional aux channel and an additional bus depending on what you are doing.  

    This is Logic's way. I don't remember if I looked at this from Logic at the time of my earlier replies, but I know I have at some point. It is a PITA, I agree.  

    From the vantage point of Cubase, the # of outputs Cubase sees is established as you instantiate the plugin. The assignment in VE Pro is directly reflected as an Instrument Channel of VE Pro, it's already there as that. 

    From seeing again the failure to communicate w. demozic back then, I actually questioned myself today: but as to Cubase, it is a fact that inserting VE Pro Audio Input onto an audio track or instrument channel gets through to VE Pro. 

    While I just described placing it as an insert, the architecture of it is not internal to Cubase. It is not inserting an Effect in Cubase. It is a way to facilitate a send (insert meaning with no level control on the send) to the "external plugin" (not different than communicating with an external bit of hardware gear conceptually). It is not designed to be an effect in the DAW host at all, so this is not going to be 'a feature of VE Pro Audio Input'. You're hoping for something fundamentally other than that.
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    @civilization 3 said:

    I don't grasp at all how this is different than how it works now.
    In a general way, when you insert any plug-in on an audio track, you still have some signal in the output of that track, right ??????? and the same with a normal send (the send doesn't stop or block the signal path of the audio track) ????  

    Yes. I'm reiterating this for the community. I took two screenshots, one of Cubase with the audio as  channel with Audio Input inserted, one of VE Pro set to do one wet and one dry. You see in the Cubase picture, there is no metering of the signal in the audio channel. However, this audio channel is not blocked. The proof of that is simple: I still hear the audio channel. In the Cubase picture, you see that the return, via Instrument Channel "Out 1-2" shows signal. It goes through. With Audio Input as a send, I do have metering of the source level... So that amounts to 1 FX channel in Cubase more than this does as the insert. 

    Audio In=insert, signal

    More proof of signal
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    So for Cubase, there is no aux on the return, here only the out 1/2 is enabled. The whole aux thing is Logic.

    Here it is as a send. The FX channel isn't showing signal. Exporting this, that channel won't print, it isn't quite a real channel, it is just a port out to the external plugin. Controlling its level is meaningful but the only monitoring of that is subsequent results.

    Aud In as send
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    Guys, this would be extremely useful feature. "Out from" can be routed internally from "server interface" plugin outputs(not directly from LAN)

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