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  • about reverb...

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    1) when using convolution reverbs (such as Rayverb by prosonic) should every instrument in the orchestra have the same settings? What I have been trying is having the same all around setting and then placing the instruments in their proper places on the virtual stage. Does this make sense and is this right?

    2) so far I have been bouncing my MIDI to audio and then applying the Rayverb. But then I discovered that I can add an FX to a MIDI track or the Audio Main Out tracks. My question is...do they both have the same results in the final sound?

    calaf
  • DietzD
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    Sorry if I can't follow - but what do you mean by "adding FX to a MIDI-track"? Could it be that you actually apply reverb to the audio-stream triggered by MIDI-data?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    You can use the same reverb on everything, but I (and at least some other people) like to use closer and more distant impulses to give the orchestra some depth. It can also be a good idea to put things like bass drums and timps in a separate reverb so they don't muddy up the mix. None of this happens in a real concert hall, of course, but this isn't a real concert hall.

    This is all going to change with the next generation of reverbs - Tascam's GigaPulse, VSL's Reverb Not Going to Be Known as MIR Even Though MIR is a Great Name, probably others TBA.
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    @Dietz said:

    Sorry if I can't follow - but what do you mean by "adding FX to a MIDI-track"? Could it be that you actually apply reverb to the audio-stream triggered by MIDI-data?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library


    yes, sorry....I think I am adding reverb to the audio-stream triggered by the MIDI-data [:O]ops:

    calaf
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    You can use the same reverb on everything, but I (and at least some other people) like to use closer and more distant impulses to give the orchestra some depth. It can also be a good idea to put things like bass drums and timps in a separate reverb so they don't muddy up the mix. None of this happens in a real concert hall, of course, but this isn't a real concert hall.

    This is all going to change with the next generation of reverbs - Tascam's GigaPulse, VSL's Reverb Not Going to Be Known as MIR Even Though MIR is a Great Name, probably others TBA.


    So by closer and more distant impulses you mean what?

    When I set the timpani and bass drums in the rear of the orchestra am I giving them a different impulse? (with Rayverb by prosonic you simply move a little glowing ball around a virtual room to get the placement of the mic...is that what is meant by impulse?)

    calaf
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    An impulse-response (IR) is basically what a sample is to your sampler: a special recording of a real event, treated to be used in your application. The main difference is that the IR is actually the idealized reverb of a real room, which now can be applied to any given source-signal by means of a process known as convolution.

    While the "puristic" approach would be to have dedicated IRs form several points form the stage in the sampled room (basically what our MIR-developement will do). Other products - like Prosoniq's RayVerb - claim that the parameters of this real room can be extrapolated and thus get modified.

    So in short: Yes, moving the position in RayVerb's interface _could_ give you a sufficient result, as long as you ar not heading for pure realism, mostly due to the fact that you are changing the _listeners_ position (AFAIK), not the signal.

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I agree with that earlier post -- I give the percussion a different reverb to set it apart from everything else, and I also include horns & trombones on that reverb. So if I'm using Altiverb, I might give all of the instruments a stereo-close-cardioids setting, but I would use that same hall, and a far-omni setting, for percussion and horns. It's important to pan the instruments as well, to how they would be relative to the listener. But the effect is a great one!
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    Thanks for all the help....I think I am beginning to understand more! [:D]


    calaf


    p.s. so Rayverb doesn't truly have recoreded impulses from every point on the stage but MIR will? Is it the first to do that? What about SIR - how does that reverb work?