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  • Soprano and Vienna Choir

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    Dear All,

    Is Soprano Choir a part of Vienna Choir or they are a different collections? A Soprano is only Standard whereas Vienna Choir -- Standard and Extended.

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  • PaulP
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    Hello Gukas,

    The Soprano Choir was our first recorded choir and is a separate collection, also different in sound and articulations.

    The Vienna Choir was recorded afterwards.

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    As an owner of the Vienna Choir library,  is there any point in adding the Soprano Choir library? 

    Are the voices different enough to justify owning both?  

    Are they the same vocalists on both libraries?

    thanks
    Andy
  • PaulP
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    Hi Andy,

    I´m not sure about the singers, but this choir definitely sounds different.

    Personally, for me, it´s a very nice addition. Maybe other users want to chime in here as well. It´s of course also a matter of taste.

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    My view has always been that adding in the Soprano Choir to the Vienna Choir mix would seriously imbalance the choir sections and make the whole thing soprano-heavy. Bear in mind that the Vienna Choir already has 16 sopranos, as opposed to the 10 altos, 10 tenors and 8 basses, so the last thing I personally would want to do would be to add another 16 sopranos. If you're after a very high, bright sound, then perhaps go for it, but otherwise, I myself would not do so.

    That said, Paul is doubtless right, that the two sound different, so there are probably situations where the Soprano Choir sounds better instead of the Vienna Choir sopranos (though the Vienna Choir sections were all recorded with working together in mind, whereas the Soprano Choir was built as a standalone - as far as I know). Also, I have not tried them both together, it could be that I am completely mistaken and that the enormous combined soprano section sounds great.

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    Apparently some of the singers are the same, but they're essentially two different groups sampled a few years apart. IMO the old Soprano Choir has a fuller sound (which I prefer), but the sopranos in Vienna Choir perform more articulations.

    Soprano Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/496/720/722/764/492.htm

    Vienna Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/1766/1767/1769/1414.htm
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    @Gukas Pogosyan said:

    Dear All,

    Is Soprano Choir a part of Vienna Choir or they are a different collections? A Soprano is only Standard whereas Vienna Choir -- Standard and Extended.

    Hi Gukas

    It's a long time ago since I produced these examples...  but the examples are still in the net...

    Some Vienna Choir-Demos:

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/index.php

    A Comparison between the Vienna Sopranos and the Download Sopranos (First Soprano-Edition)

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/comparing-choirs/index.php

    Have fun

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Brilliant, Beat!
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    @Another User said:

    It's a long time ago since I produced these examples...  but the examples are still in the net...

    Some Vienna Choir-Demos:

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/index.php

    A Comparison between the Vienna Sopranos and the Download Sopranos (First Soprano-Edition)

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/comparing-choirs/index.php

    and thank's for an axsamples. But….

    A choir is the most difficult and vulnerable group to acomplish the task.  I'm progressing with String Orchestra, Solo Strings, Percussion and some Brass instruments but I'v never get rich sound of a Choir. 

    How to get a rich Tenor sound if in a higher range man's voice sounds like a women's?

    How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound if as you go down the voice become weaker and weaker?( No anything of the kind in a Tube collection or low strings.)
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    @Gukas Pogosyan said:

    Hi, Beat,

    and thank's for an axsamples. But….

    A choir is the most difficult and vulnerable group to acomplish the task.  I'm progressing with String Orchestra, Solo Strings, Percussion and some Brass instruments but I'v never get rich sound of a Choir. 

    How to get a rich Tenor sound if in a higher range man's voice sounds like a women's?

    How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound if as you go down the voice become weaker and weaker?( No anything of the kind in a Tube collection or low strings.)

    Hi Gukas

    The answer is not the one you would like to get, I'm sure:

    If you need a Russian Basso Profundo Register the Vienna Choir is the wrong library I suppose. The same facts for high Tenors.

    Could be that the MARS Library would be the better solution. http://www.bestservice.de/en/mars.html

    (Sorry for this link here in the VSL-Forum).

    But I must say I don't know those library and the demos are showing more a cinematic orchestra than the male choir...

    Beat

    Addition:

    How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound... Try to play the voice in a well and full sounding range and then use an audio pitch transposer to transpose it down in the range you use.

    In the mean time don't use the "formant-option" (or less as the transposition) so you eventually will get a more dark Profundo sound...

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Hi Beat

    Thank's for MARS. I'v lisened and came to conclujion that I like Vienna Choir more then before. MARS is too much ready and focused to a spesial direction and task.