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  • Cymbal A Mallet - strange release

    J
    J

    I want to do a series of overlapping swells using the Cym A patch crescendo samples.

    So I play an A6 ( for about 2 bars) then immediately repeat the A6 without a break. I also adjust the release envelope so it has the maximum (slowest) release setting. The idea being the sounds overlap. However if I just have the first A6 note the sound caries on for over a bar beyond the end of the note, but when I have the repeat note the first A6 releases almost immediately so no overlap.

    I have tried the same patches in both VI pro and VI and it is the same - there is no way to creat the overlap (well there is but it means changing articulations and transposing the second articulation so a different note plays the same sample). So the presence of a repeat note is somehow overriding the release time setting which is weird. No amount of changing the settings in VI-Pro can stop this happening - Ive tried release note off/on and poly off/on and all sorts of other things to no effect.

    I tried another patch Tenor trombone 6" crescendo and this behaves as it should - there is an overlap if you increase the release time and play the same note again.

    I wonder if this is a glitch in the programming of the Cym A patch - though I do remember encountering the same issue with other percussion patches.

    Any ideas anyone?!

    Thanks

    Julian
  • H
    H

     Hi Juilan,

    A6 is a diminuendo roll. Therefor the second hit will mask the first one very quickly because the second triggering will always much louder than the release of the first one.

    The release time of the rolls (cresc and diminuendos) are set to a very short value in mapping to enable a mute at any postion during the roll.

    However you can force an extra long release time when you set the "Rel" midi controller plus the Rel envelope value in the edit tab to maximum amount of 127. Both settings give you a kind of doubled multiplier on the mapped values.

    best

    Herb
  • J
    J

    Hi Herb,

    My first thought was the new note was masking the decay but there is a simple test that proves otherwise.

    I change the attack to very slow so the repeat note starts very quietly. I also set the first A6 to max volume and the repeat A6 to minimum volume. First I play the sequence with the second note muted then repeat with the second note active but it is so quiet it does not overpower the decay of the first sample.

    By doing this you hear that the prescence of the repeat note radically changes the decay of the first sample.

    The patch is 02 Cym-A_Mallet and the A6 is a crescendo or dimuendo depending on the A/B setting - I'm using it as a crescendo.

    Could you perhaps have a listen with my test settings?

    Thanks

    Julian
  • H
    H

     Sorry for the delay, and I didn't check that my A/B switch was set to B.

    And you are right, there is an independent release parameter for notes performed on the same key (which was initailly introduced for our performance stuff).

    However in that special case you can use it also for the cymbal effect.

    On the "Edit" Tab of VI PRO you'll see  the "Rel" slider and the "P.Rel" slider. Moving both slider to a higher value should deliver the settings you want to achive. 

    best

    Herb
  • J
    J

    Hi Herb,

    Yes the P.Rel sorts the issue out!

    I already had the  Rel on max but it's the P.Rel that overrided the early cut off on repeated note.

    Thanks

    Julian