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  • New MIR Universal Performance vs Hosted in VEPro

    stryttenS
    stryttenS

    How will the new universal plug-in edition of MIR perform compared to prior version hosted in VE Pro, both as to CPU usage and latency:

    1. When used in connection with other plug-ins such as Vienna Instruments Pro or Kontakt, multiple channels

    2. When used in connection with DAW audio tracks, multiple channels

    Thanks!

    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
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    Hi,

    The great advantage is that you don´t have to insert Audio Input Plug-ins, and of course, for Logic users, that the bypassed I/O plug-in is not necessary anymore. So in connection with Logic, you will see a great improvement!

    It always depends on the circumstances. Feel free to run a few tests on your machine with the free demo licenses, here is a step-by-step guide.

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hello

    I am also very interested of the results [;)]

    Before there was less power used if you had your instruments in VE

    I have a few more question before testing the AU MIR in Logic

    In the video of MIR AU you see each instruments individualy, do you have a global view of all the instruments in your venue ?

    If you are in 5.1, do you use the panning of Logic or of MIR ?

    If an instrument is loaded but not used does it still use CPU power ?

    Thanks for this 
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
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    Hi Cyril,

    Why not check it out right away? The software is available right here and you have a MIR PRO license already [:)]

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi Paul

    At the moment I am very busy with building my new studio (I have a lot of problem with the town services because they say that my Japanese garden is not a "green space" they say it is a "builded space " ; they are so stupid !!!!!), and if somebody had already done some trials it will save me time [;)]

    To convert my setup using MIR AU will take a lot of time, and if I spend a week do that and it show that it is worse that the VE PRO solution, I will not be very happy to have spend so much time for nothing

    Best

    Cyril
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    There is a problem with the stereo sometimes, it also sometimes works : When moving the instrument from left to right the sound keeps on coming from the middle.
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    D

    Are you using a mono track?
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    It doesn't seem to be a mono track : if I remove MIR pro of the Inserts, the sound becomes stereo and by using the channel I can make it go from left to right.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    I hardly dare to ask: Do you get this after choosing an actual Venue, or just with the so-called "Default Venue" after starting the plug-in? The Default Venue is based on a single position of impulse responses, so there's no way a signal could come from anywhere else. :-)

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I get this with a venue, but I don't remember if I added the instrument with the default venue or after having chosen one, it seems that it happens with some instruments only( not from Vienna ). I have started a new file and this time there is no such problem but I find the stereo more obvious when using VE.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Processing-wise, the VE-based standard-MIR Pro and the new MIR Pro Plug-In are supposed to achieve identical results. There must be a routing issue, or maybe some other processing that counteracts MIR's results.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    I tried to add some effects with Vienna Suite, using FX tracks, these sometimes didn't work as well, compared to what I get within VE.
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    @brunojul said:

    I tried to add some effects with Vienna Suite, using FX tracks, these sometimes didn't work as well, compared to what I get within VE.

    What do you mean by "sometimes didn't work as well" ?
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    I put an Equalizer on an instrument, a guitar and it had an effect. I tried the same thing on the bass, there was no difference of sound. With VE, I can easily add these effects to every instruments( dry or wet). Maybe, it is a problem with Cubase.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Did anyone tried the MIR AU ?

    What is the best result ? MIR in VE or MIR AU in LOGIC ?
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    I just completed my first project in MIR and I've found that the UI hang in Logic is unbearable.  I have a rMBP 15" 2.6 w/16GB RAM as well as a late 2011 iMac 27" 3.4GHz w/16GB RAM.

    The Retina MacBook Pro which has 512 SSD, is noticeably faster to load but when one attempts to install two or three plugin's be it MIR or other Vienna Suite Plugins with MIR the UI hang can get up to 30 seconds or more with fans spinning at full blast.

    When the same feat is attempted in VEP5 both machines handle the load effortlessly.  I have updated the OS on both machines as well as installed the latest version of code for all VSL products.

    For now, I'm going to have to stay away from MIR as a native Logic Plugin until this issue gets resolved.  VEP5 provides a MUCH more comfortable and flexible environment to work in with the exception of the convoluted way Audio Sends have to be routed.  I hate bouncing tracks and seeing 1 core being maxed out into the red while 7 others sit idle!! :)

    ccsr
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC
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    @sac.music_lover99 said:

    I just completed my first project in MIR and I've found that the UI hang in Logic is unbearable.  I have a rMBP 15" 2.6 w/16GB RAM as well as a late 2011 iMac 27" 3.4GHz w/16GB RAM.

    For now, I'm going to have to stay away from MIR as a native Logic Plugin until this issue gets resolved.  

    Hello

    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    Is it possible to mix the uses and have some MIR AU and one VEP MIR ?

    Best

    Cyril
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    S

    Well you can mix the uses separately if you like but the UI hang issue still occurs.  

    If what you want, however, is to connect both to the same preserved instance of VEP5 (i.e. you have your instruments in MIR via VEP5 and MIR plugin inserts on your vocal channel(s) and you want them to interact together in the same space) that is not possible as the plugin does not give you the option to connect to a preserved instance.  It appears that this is solely a function of VEP5.

    Wish I had better news...

    craig
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    The Logic UI freeze issues appears to be universal, since it also happens to Logic's own plugins as well as other 3rd party plugins. This thread on logicprohelp should give more information:

    http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=78028&sid=eb3db5e7c76de62eea30aa910b84139c&start=640

    Thus, there appears to be nothing we can do to alleviate the situtation from our side.

    Thanks,
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi Craig 

    Do you have Logic 9.1.8 ?

    Best

    Cyril