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    What you've said about SSD's is true. They do save loading time and free up RAM.

    Another way to look at it, as SSD's and RAM become more affordable, vendors wIl create ever more taxing software.

    As this thread has revealed, Dimension Strings will not allow us to load everything unless we have a great deal of RAM.

    SSD's or not 32 gigs is becoming the new norm. 

    I'm not suggesting you'll ever need 96 gigs, I am however saying that soon my 96 gigs won't seem so gaudy, after all.
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    I have 32 GB of RAM currently and I'm going SSD just for DS. While I'm [:(] about the cost, I'm [:)] about everything else. lol

    -Sean

    P.S. of course, all this depends on VSL's willingness to hear my plea's and begging for them to have the early bird offer last past October 15th.
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    Regarding RAM & DS, here's what I've found so far. One .viframe with the 8 individual violins loaded with the Large Set L2 Presets each attached to MIR Pro using Mortzartsall v2 = approx. 13.5GB. Please remember that you will need RAM for your operating system and VEP also. 

    The Full DS also has 16 more instruments (6 violas, 6 celli and 4 double basses). I wouldn't doubt that perhaps they have a few less articulations in their same Large Set L2 Presets and might use a bit less RAM - plus the fact that they have accordingly less numbers of individual instruments. I would think that it has to be somewhere in the 20GB+ range for all the other 16 individual instruments besides the violins. So we could be looking at easily over 32 GB usage if you want total individual control of the instruments of each section along with the ability to have its total Force Sul capabilities. 

    This doesn't take into account using the Desks, Groups or All preset capabilities. Obviously, each of us will have to learn what corners to cut to make it work in our individual situations. 

    A couple small SSD's in a RAID configuration might be necessary too. Smaller SSD's are priced more affordably these days. 

    RAM is relatively inexpensive - and so is this library. Especially with the introductory pricing. 

    Besides, a lot of guys are going to be using this library and customers could be asking you if you can get this lively, detailed sound. 

    You could simply use the Desks alone and cut the RAM and throughput requirements in half. Lots of choices to make with DS. Lots of options available. 

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    @Beat Kaufmann said:

    Thanks for the hint, Jhstrong!

    OK then. I tell you what I've seen in the manuals:

    Solo Violin, 2 Layers

    Perf Legato  1143 Samples, 71 MB

    Perf Trill   3383 Samples, 211 MB

    Dimension Violins, P1 (one player), 4 Layers

    Perf Legato  1448 Samples, 45 MB ( = 360MB for all 8?)

    Perf Trill    3168 Samples, 99MB (=792MB for all 8?)

    So we have to take into account that we will need some RAM for the whole orchestra later on...

    Best

    Beat

    Hi Beat,

    I think thats the path,if we are going to play all the instruments at once alltogether

    but I think we can use the memory optimisation to greatly reduce memory usage,and like what you suggest in your tutorial,bouncing to audio will save a lot of RAM,also freezing Instruments

    IMO ,If we still want to have the luxury to control a very incredibly real sounding orchestra instruments with the flexibility like DS,that's the price we have to pay

    My friend has Hollywood Strings and he face a lot worst situation ,in terms of RAM and flexibility

    but I WILL definitely NEED to upgrade to SSD Raid like Angelbird !!

    Regards, Willy
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    Hi Beat,

    I think thats the path,if we are going to play all the instruments at once alltogether

    but I think we can use the memory optimisation to greatly reduce memory usage,and like what you suggest in your tutorial,bouncing to audio will save a lot of RAM,also freezing Instruments

    IMO ,If we still want to have the luxury to control a very incredibly real sounding orchestra instruments with the flexibility like DS,that's the price we have to pay

    My friend has Hollywood Strings and he face a lot worst situation ,in terms of RAM and flexibility

    but I WILL definitely NEED to upgrade to SSD Raid like Angelbird !!

    Regards, Willy
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    If you use Angelbird ssd's for library sample loading, then do not use it in a raid system. Angelbird works better when you use it for library loading as a normal hdd. It also recommended in this way by angelbird. I have 64 GB RAM and load everything  via SSD. I am using Angelbird's SSD-PCIe Cards with Samsung and angelbird SSD's. Everything is loading fast enough and works stable. I recommend 64 GB RAM for using in big orchestral projects. I think about extend the RAM to 128 GB. At the moment 64 GB are more than enough, but I am sure in 1 year, after the 16 GB Ram-reels are available for lower prices, then I will extend the ram to the maximum in my mac pro. I have tested two 16 GB reels to reach 80 GB and it only worked in Mountain lion, but I sent them back because the reels were too expensive.

    Dimension violins itself need 8GB RAM to work efficiently. By using MIR PRO you need more than 16GB RAM. I recommend 24 GB. If you use all instruments in one MAC PRO I recommend SSD's for system and libraries and 64GB RAM. It works fine.
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    @nicowieditz said:

    If you use Angelbird ssd's for library sample loading, then do not use it in a raid system. Angelbird works better when you use it for library loading as a normal hdd. It also recommended in this way by angelbird.

    There are SSD's with higher sequential read (MB/s) and higher random read (IOPS) than what Angelbird is currently offering. I understand why people will use Angelbird. But as far as performance and RAID options go, there are better options out there IMO. My current sample SSD is faster than Angelbird and I'm planning on getting 2 even faster SSD's to run in RAID for Dimension Strings. I'm not trying to pick on Angelbird or anything like that. I'm just stating all that to ask- why go with their SSD's if RAID isn't worth utilizing?

    -Sean
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    @iscorefilm said:

    why go with their SSD's if RAID isn't worth utilizing?

    -Sean

    I have 4 slots for HDD's, 1 slot is used for the PCIe Card with the possibility to use 4 more SSD's, so that is enough for me to know. And if Angelbird is recommending me not to use it as Raid if it is used for library loading, it is ok for me. I don't care about the more speed I could have, it is fast enough for me.

    But you are right, why not using in Raid-mode? Everyone has to make an own decision.

    Nico
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    In RAID, they function as one drive.  As separate drives, they function independantly, and thought not as fast, can do more things at once. 

    Dorico, Notion, Sibelius, StudioOne, Cubase, Staffpad VE Pro, Synchon, VI, Kontakt Win11 x64, 64GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, August Forster 190
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    @iscorefilm said:

    There are SSD's with higher sequential read (MB/s) and higher random read (IOPS) than what Angelbird is currently offering. I understand why people will use Angelbird. But as far as performance and RAID options go, there are better options out there IMO. My current sample SSD is faster than Angelbird and I'm planning on getting 2 even faster SSD's to run in RAID for Dimension Strings. I'm not trying to pick on Angelbird or anything like that. I'm just stating all that to ask- why go with their SSD's if RAID isn't worth utilizing?

    Sean,which one do you use?

    thanks Willy
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    Willy,

    I can't remember the brand name of my faster one. I know I have a Patriot SSD, but that one is slower than Angelbird. That one was my first SSD and I upgraded and use the Patriot as my OS drive now. I'm pretty sure my faster one is either OCZ or Mushkin. Although, I don't have enough room for DS yet anyway so I will eventually have to get a new SSD just for the space for DS.

    This is likely the one I'll get,

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227661

    -Sean

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    I keep putting the wrong link in here, lol. I meant this one, it's large enough to hold DS with a little room left over. (I figure anyway with the Violin library being 89GB)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227743
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    Thanks Sean.
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    @iscorefilm said:

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    I keep putting the wrong link in here, lol. I meant this one, it's large enough to hold DS with a little room left over. (I figure anyway with the Violin library being 89GB)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227743

    Not that it matters but on our Mac's Dimension Viiolins installed at 62gigs, and Ive read it's 52 on PC's.
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    Weird, I thought I read 89 somewhere and the product page says 85.7GB. Either way, if it is indeed 52, all the better as I can get a cheaper SSD.

    -Sean
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    Yeah I think 85gigs is the uncompressed total sample size in the player....
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    On my PC they take 57 gigas but then the cello viola and bass will arrive, so you need more space!
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     Yes, I got it installed yesterday and if I recall correctly, it was 58GB installed.
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    I have 12GBs RAM, so that should be good. How large of an SSD should I but to hold the Dimension Strings? I want enough to hold all the other string sections as they become available. Thanks.
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    @iscorefilm said:

    Willy,

    I can't remember the brand name of my faster one. I know I have a Patriot SSD, but that one is slower than Angelbird. That one was my first SSD and I upgraded and use the Patriot as my OS drive now. I'm pretty sure my faster one is either OCZ or Mushkin. Although, I don't have enough room for DS yet anyway so I will eventually have to get a new SSD just for the space for DS.

    This is likely the one I'll get,

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227661

    -Sean

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    I keep putting the wrong link in here, lol. I meant this one, it's large enough to hold DS with a little room left over. (I figure anyway with the Violin library being 89GB)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227743

     

     For whatever it's worth it, Revo drives are far from being your best all-around alternative nowadays. You'll very rarely be able to take advantage of their full bandwidth, and their cost is still a good margin higher than the best regular SSD's in the market. You can get two (2x) 480GB of the best in class SSD drives in the market, and put them in RAID 0, for about the same price of that Revo, and you'd have close to the same bandwidth and twice as much capacity...
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    Gusfmm,

    Thanks. I knew this but I didn't find anything in the same price range. I only did a glance cause my money is going to DS first, then the SSD(s) but that was the best option I had found at the time. I prefer setting up a raid configuration anyway for performance and so I don't use up a PCIe slot for future needs.

    Thanks for bringing it up though. Great point.

    -Sean