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  • Logic Pro 9 with VI MIR PRO

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    Hi All,

    I'm thinking of getting some Vienna Instruments software.
    Mainly the MIR PRO, Vienna Ensemble PRO 5 and the Special Editions Bundles 1 and 2
    Is the MIR available for all your other soft synths and what slows the CPU the most?
    I would welcome any info on pros and cons you've experienced.
    Here's my computer info:  
     Model Name:    Mac Pro
     Model Identifier:    MacPro3,1
      Processor Name:    Quad-Core Intel Xeon
      Processor Speed:    2.8 GHz
      Number Of Processors:    2
      Total Number Of Cores:    8
      L2 Cache (per processor):    12 MB
      Memory:    6 GB
      Bus Speed:    1.6 GHz
      Boot ROM Version:    MP31.006C.B05
      SMC Version (system):    1.25f4
      Serial Number (system):    G8xxxx
      Hardware UUID:    68E138DF-39E7-5A53-AB0E-565xxxxx
    And I'm using Logic Pro 9.1.7 with:
    MachFive 3, EWQLSO and Choir, NI Complete 8, Spectrasonics Omnisphere and the IK Multimedia Total Workstation 2.
    I have a Novation 61SL MKII as a controller and use the RME Fireface 800. Could you recommend a Mac-mini configuration to act as a server in a master slave setup.

    Thanks for any info.

    Cheers,
    fletcher
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    It is depending of the music you are writing, how many instruments you will play toogether

    MIR is gready in 5.1 and 7.1

    6GB is not much

    A lot of us are going with ssd 
  • M
    M

    Fletcher,

    Yeah regarding the RAM, as my friend Cyril suggest, 6gigs is not enough.

    If you look around this community you'll find members with 16 to 96gigs.

    The sweet spot is probably 16 to 24 gigs.
  • P
    P

    That IS my computer. And I agree with the consensus here.

    I've got 24 GB, and the main VSL disk drive is a Crucial m4 512 GB SSD, which relieves the memory burden even more. Finally, I just drive the strings / percussion / piano through this Mac Pro, and the winds and brass are given to a Mac Mini. 

    I made a lot of music with just the Mac Pro. But when you add MIR (efficient though it may be) and hope to channel a full orchestra through it, then yes, you will probably run out of CPU. It may come down to the number of MIR instances you want to use. For example, the Dimension Strings would allow you to use a different MIR instance per each of the eight violins (as they did in the demo video). You can cut that in half using one MIR per four desks, and that in turn could be reduced to one instance for all Dimension violins. 

    Carrying the example to Special Editions, you could put all the woodwinds on one MIR  (though that would sacrifice the individual character presets). For that matter, you could slam the whole orchestra on one very wide MIR. All of these methods are offered to give you an idea of the sacrifices you might have to make. They are blasphemic to MIR users, but they'd probably still sound better than Space Designer or numerous, digital reverbs. 

    For the record, VSL makes far better use of the CPU than instruments like EXS. 

    And yes, you can send any instrument to MIR using an Audio Input. I think that's discussed in the demo videos. 
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    Cyril, Mike B and plowman:

    Thanks for your replies.

    Most music I make in LP9 doesn't excede 20 tracks, 95% softsynths and maybe some occasional JV1080.

    Mostly commercial library type electronic and accoustic mockup pieces. Sometimes concert band.

    I find that if I use more than 7 0r 8 different soft syntns I start to get warning boxes about low CPU.                                                                   I have lots of softsynths. The high end being EWQLSO and Choir  as well as NI Komplete 8 and MOTU MachFive 3 and Omnisphere.      

    I know there are ways to conserve CPU but wondered if you might point out some (that I may be unaware of).

    I fell in love with MIR Pro immediately upon hearing it. But I'm curious if you guys occasionally use higher end convolution (like altiverb or lexicon) alone or with MIR.

    Heres a reminder of my Mac stats: Model Name: Mac Pro-early 2008, Model Identifier: MacPro3,1  Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon    Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz,  Number Of Processors: 2,   Total Number Of Cores: 8, L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB,  Memory: 6 GB      Bus Speed:1.6 GHz                                                                                                                                                                                        

    I'de like to run some hardware options by you that I'm considering so that I have enough CPU power to use MIR. I generally use effects in Logic as inserts on a bus and send multiple tracks to it if needed. Since MIR is now a full AU plugin I assume this can be done.

    Opt 1- Just add 16 more GB of ram to my MacPro giving me 22 GB total. Also add an internal 240 gig ssd. (what files/software do I put on   this?)

    Opt 2- Buy a MacMini 2.6Hz Quad-Core Intel,  Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 SDRAM - (2x8GB), 1TB Fusion Drive.                                              I'm aware that I have to set up a LAN connection between the MacPro and MacMini but I have no idea how this is done or                              what software/files I put on the MacMini for optimum CPU.        

    Opt 3- Buy an iMac/27 with 32 GB RAM and add an ssd. Also connect my MacPro via LAN to the iMac.

    As always money plays a major role ($2500 budget) This would leave me with just enough to buy the MIR.

    I'm afraid my novice status is somewhat obvious in the LAN arena, perhaps there is a favorite video you can stear me toward.

    Thanks for reading and many thanks.

    Fletcher
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    You can try MIR pro.

    Install it and see how your Mac behave

    Investing on SSD is not a loss, with VSL VI it allows to use less memory reducing the pre-load buffer size, I have no idea if it is the same with other players

    You can always put your tracks on disk to have only audio tracks and send them to MIR
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Welcome Fletcher,

    6 GB of RAM will be the bottleneck as soon as you aim for 20 instruments in a MIR Pro Venue. Each "Icon" on a MIR-stage will triggee the pre-remdering of a new position- and profile-dependent set of IRs, which will have to reside in RAM (IR's can't stream from disk like an instrument's sample).

    An SSD is able to decrease the RAM needed by virtual instruments, but not the requirements of MIR Pro.

    ... but as fellow forum members suggested before: Try the 30-days demo of MIR Pro on your machine to get a feel for your options. :-)

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library