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  • A Few confusions about VE Pro from a new user.

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    I have a few questions if anyone would be so good as to help? 1) I am confused about the order to open and close VE Pro? When I open VE Pro 1st like the manual says, Digital Performer sometimes needs 3 attempts to launch, giving an error message.( Mac OS error: Unexpected error (-8796) But when I load DP first and Vienna 2nd, there seems to be no problem. Can I do this? It seems to work fine with DP loading all of Vienna’s sounds last saved properly. 2) Quitting- I cannot seem to quit properly. I saw nothing in the manual about this either, though I may have missed it. If I quit Vienna 1st, DP can sometimes crash or, crash when I tell it to quit. If I quit DP 1st, Vienna then asks me to save when I feel I already have saved, and it too tends to crash. The crash in either event seems harmless as I am done working and no data seems to get lost. But it seems like there should be a way to quit without a crash message. Help! 3) Saving- I am kind of confused about all the levels of saving available. I haven;t even bothered saving due to the confusion of it all and it seems partly unnecessary anyway as the moment I re-connect DP with Vienna, it automatically loads all the sounds I last had anyway. There seems to be individual instance saving and “meta” saving. thought “meta” might be an bigger save for when you have several 64 bit severs or a 64 and a 32, which I sometime use. What is the difference between meta and other saves? And why does Vienna ask me to save on quitting and prompt me with a new dialogue box? Here is what happened: I started a new song, launching DP. I then launched VE Pro. The “instances” windnow came up so I clicked “add” and named the file for the clients new song. All seemed fine. 1st problem- In DP, I see TWO options for what to connect to. “Local host 64 new” and the named file for the client. OK, so I click the named file for the client. All seems fine. But here is where I get really confused-I quit DP and then try to quit VE Pro. 1st off “quitting doesn’t “quit”. It closes the instance I had up and the server dialogue remains. It then asks me if I want to save changes to the metaframe project and the dialogue box of where to save is totally random. What happened to the location of the instance I originally created for the client? When I re start DP, that “instance” is nowhere to be found? Obviously I am confused. A tutorial about strategies on how to save all of this , when and why would have been helpful. I found the manual lacking. Thanks for your attention.
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    I think you said you don't bother saving VEP 5. If that was the case (THE FIRST TIME YOU USED IT), this may explain your trouble launching in proper order. Once you had trouble doing it correctly, you found a work around that caused BIGGER problems than the original. 1) Having to save Metas and Instances "saving twice". 2) VEP 5 crashing when you quit DP first. 3) DP crashing when you quit VEP 5 first. So, 1) Always open VEP 5 first and launch the Instance of choice. 2) Open your DAW and it should see VEP 5. If not assign it. 3) ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS save and quit you DAW first and VEP 5 second. 4) When closing VEP 5 click on the small VEP 5 host window (the one that identifies the Instance you're using. Click exit. Right now after closing DP, your going up to VEP atop your mac and clicking quit, closing the (active) large mixer/instance window, but not the Host. This doesn't explain why DP needs 3 attempts to launch... But the above has worked for me on a Mac as well as PC.
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    1) Always open VEP 5 first and launch the Instance of choice.- Response-- DP takes several attempts to load, each attempt necessitating a re load of Vienna and all VI’s to “try again”. A very in-elegant, cumbersome process that takes a long time if done 3 or more times. I have a question about that too. Right now, everything works as far as VI’s are concerned, If I don;t load a manually saved instance, DP puts the proper sound up. Now, if I laod the last “manually” saved instance and there was a change in the last instance DP used without saving, which will take precident, the instance I loaded when starting VE or the last instance DP was aware of? In other words, will DP force changes over any given loaded instance of VE when DP launches? By the way, you mentioned that I started off wrong and therefore have chased a “wrong” strategy thereafter. No, I have also started off trying to launch Vienna and save it as a pre set meta etc. Upon next launch of VE, i couldn;t find the pre set. So thus far, my only successful strategy has been to forego saving and let DP tell VE what to load when they connect. Is there any real danger in this? It seems to be working ok. You know, sometimes a given DAW needs to work differently than the “standard” way a manufacturer prescribes. Is it possible DP needs to load 1st?
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    "On next launch you couldn't find the Meta"..... On your Mac, open VEP, way up top under file, you should see a list of Metas. Since you didn't know how to find and launch the Meta, you found a workaround instead. And yes I maintain that had you launched the Meta correctly the first time, DP (probably) would have been fine. On the other hand, Logic has its issues playing nice with VEP 5 so perhaps DP does as well. I don't think you're harming anything doing it your way, but I do think it makes the process more unstable than the original DP launch issue.