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I recently switched from logic 9 to Cubase 6.5. I am running Cubase on a Mac Pro and Vienna Ensemble pro 5 on a PC. I am have trouble getting the C4 played on a Yamaha S90ES to record in Cubase as C4 and play the C4 of the patch in Vienna ensemble pro5. I transposed the the Yamaha keyboard up an octave so that when I play C4 on the keyboard it records the midi note C4 in Cubase. However C5 plays in the VEPro5 Patch. How do I resolve this?
Thanks,
Stephen W. Beatty
You don't. Middle C to the Roland way o' life, which VSL follows, is C4. To the Yamaha ways, Steinberg for instance, it's C3. Fact of life since the beginning. :-\
you could think of one keyswitch or the other as you would a transposing instrument.
MIddle C is always about 261Hz, so middle C is always middle C what ever keyboard or software play it (it is offically MIDI note number 60), but as to what middle is called is not so standard.
I believe the most "correct" official name for middle C is C4, as used by VSL and Sibelius etc but Cubase calls it C3, but even Wavelab although defaults to C3 can be changed to display C4. If only Cubase had the same preferences option to rename Middle to C4 then life would be so much simpler. (I seem to recall in the past, Logic used to be able to change this as well)
I believe Sonar uses C5 for middle C ! (Wavelab has a C5 option as well).
C4 is so much better to use, as the lowest piano key is then A0, and the lowest audible note is C0 (about 16Hz), so no need to use negative values like C-1, which just gets messy.
So all over to the Steinberg Cubase forum and start shouting there ........
Thanks for the discussion. However, what is the path to create this environment?When I play C4 on the yamaha keyboard, C4 appears in the piano roll of Cubase and and C4 sounds in VEPro5. I transposed the keyboard so when I play C4 on the keyboard C4 appears in piano roll of cubase, but C5 sounds in VEPro5. I tried to transpose the voice in Vepro5 in the edit block but it doesn't give the desired result.
Regards,
Stephen W. Beatty
I remember how annoying that was to me, years ago before I left OS X in the dust (and Logic Pro). But I will say, Logic does in fact let you choose which was really nice. I have never used Cubase, but it is so universally used out there I cannot believe they haven't given such a simple option to fix that! Seems like such a simple option for them to add like Logic did. Just let me pick which standard I want, C3 or C4 and it's done. Seems so simple to me...
Maestro2be
well, it is a corporation's idea vs another corporation's idea. It's been there since the advent of MIDI. Nobody won. Yamaha owns Steinberg now, interestingly enough.
there are some hosts or instruments that take middle C as C5. BFD in its options has a 'minus two' option which gets its naming in line with the Yamaha C3, as if C5 is a default.
I think it wouldn't be hard to change Cubendo to give you that choice. I'm used to it, I know to transpose the VSL keyswitch in my head an octave down to fit Cubase's convention. The VSL keyswitches in Kontakt correspond with Yahama/Steiny. I think Kontakt scripting always does... so Vienna Instruments is the outlier for me.
The lowest 'midi note' in the Roland convention is C-1. That would be Sonar's 'C 0'. it was a decision made that everyone involved agreed on, just no consensus on what to label it.@andyjh said:
C4 is so much better to use, as the lowest piano key is then A0, and the lowest audible note is C0 (about 16Hz), so no need to use negative values like C-1, which just gets messy.
EDIT: you'd have notes lower than real notes so you can place keyswitches there? Seems reaonable.
