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  • MIR Pro questions

    S
    S

    I'm still undecided of whether to upgrade my MIR Se to MIR Pro 24 or even to MIR Pro or not!!!

    I like the concept of MIR (to simplify the mixing) very much, but to be onest I never really used MIR SE that much. I think the reason is that the standalone version was just not working for my workflow of always coming back to the midi files and changing CCs.

    The reason I am undecided is that most of my sample libaries are not from VSL anymore. I only use the woodwinds from VSL, all the rest are third party libraries (LASS, Spitfire, Cinesamples etc). I know that this is possible to use them in MIR Pro or MIR Pro 24 but I'am wondering if I lose the advantage of simplifying things.

    So my questions are:

    1) Most of the third party libraries are recorded in an orchestral seating. How do I use them in MIR? I read somewhere that you have to use Powerpan from the VSL Suite (which I own) for example to bring the instruments to a neutral position and than place them in MIR. Sounds a little complicated for me.

    2) I also read that if the library offers multiple mic positions you should always use the close mics and than place them in MIR and use the room sound from MIR. But isn't the room sound what makes those libraries great? Cinebrass for example sounds great recorded in that sony scoring stage with the decca tree mics but I don't like the close mics at all. I doubt that I would like them with the close mics in MIR. Okay - I could check that by myself with my MIR SE software. ;-)

    3) Is it maybe possible to just place these libraries inside MIR to get a panning but not use the room sound on them? That way I could still use the decca tree mics. Confused...

    If the answer to those questions is better don't use those libraries in MIR (which I wouldn't expect on a VSL forum) than I wouldn't need MIR Pro and could just upgrade to MIR Pro 24 for the woodwinds and some other dry recorded libraries. But is this worth 480 EUR?. I would have to buy Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 which I wouldn't use for anything else but MIR and of course I would also like to have the roompack 2 with the teldex room - if I go that route. ;-)

    On the other hand I could just use a little bit of hybrid reverb from my VSL Suite or some 2C breeze reverb for the woodwinds and that's it! That way I wouldn't go the MIR route and could save the money for VSL Jazz Drums for example. ;-)

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Sabine
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    I wouldn't mix room sounds if what I was after was any kind of naturalistic orchestra in a hall effect.

    VSL is recorded dry, and there is MIR to get the spaciality and room tone. I don't think subverting Cinesamples or EWQL room tone to stick it in MIR is a good idea. "place these libraries inside MIR to get a panning but not use the room sound"? the whole point of MIR is the room tone, so you are subverting peter to satisfy paul or vice versa it looks like to me.

     I use as much VSL for acoustic type sounds as I can; I use a lot of things that aren't VSL right beside VSL - things which are not Cine, or EWQL, or LASS mind you - and the dry basis is right for me. I place things with Vienna Suite Power Panner and use the Hybrid Reverb, and some of the original VS convo. 'verb. I can't afford MIR right now, but I have enjoyed demoing it. It's pretty taxing and is a different workflow for my own music however.

    It's a fantastic sound once you get a little experience with it, stellar really and of course I've only had the one Mozartsalle to demo. 

    I think you're already about to convince yourself not to buy it and I think you have a good argument. OTOH, I recommend VEP 5 for all kinds of reasons. For me, designing a 'sound' it's a vast improvement over compartmentalized instrument plugins... it's holistic, not to mention the handling of resources is VASTLY superior to plugins, particularly using a slave. I can't imagine someone doing too much with MIR with only the one computer anyway.
  • N
    N

    IIRC, MIR Pro 24 is a free upgrade from MIR SE.

    For me, I am debating the upgrade as sometimes I need the full 32 channels of MIR SE.  Otherwise the full functionality of MIR Pro 24, looks very good, and a major improvement.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Hello Sabine,

    assuming you own VE Pro already, the upgrade from legacy MIR SE to MIR Pro 24 is free for you:

    -> http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1687/2036/2056/1743.htm

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • S
    S

    Thanks a lot for your replies!

    @civilization 3: Yes, I read about those techniques to position third party libraries in MIR and I always thought that this is a little bit strange. But since this is a feature of MIR I thought there might be a kind of guideline how to handle those libraries in MIR...

    Seems like we both are using the Vienna Suite at the moment. I use the Power Panner all the time and the Hybrid Reverb to create my room depth. I like the Vienna Suite a lot!

    @noldar12 & Dietz: Yes, I know that it is free for MIR SE users. But since I need VE Pro I have to take that money also into account. Are there additional reasons to have VE Pro other than hosting MIR? I'm sure there are! ;-) I have a single PC setup - so no slaves.

    I think I will have another look at the VE Pro videos...

    Thanks again!

    Cheers,

    Sabine