@Suntower said:

I'll post an example a bit later. But how much of that 48gb do you use? Just curious for the future. I'm getting to 11-12gb but that's a chamber orchestra with few articulations. My mobo only has room for 4 sticks so I'm wondering how that would work.

My template (including MIR) used to be around 30GB, but these days it's a bit slimmer. I would still find it tight on 24GB, so whatever my new rig (when I get one) I will need at least 32GB. The reason I have 48GB as opposed 32GB is that it is triple channel RAM.

DG

@DG said:

I'm afraid you'll have to post a link to an audio example, because I can't reproduce that here. What patch are you using when this happens (full name please)?

OK, here is an example with Chamber Strings I Legato VC3_Perf_Legato_Me. Most of the notes are the same length and velocity (90?). The odd thing is that the transition between the octave leap is smoother than the notes which descend down 1 step at a time!

http://jchmusic.com/downloads/residue-vc.mp3

What am I doing wrong?

---JC

No one? [:(]    <---- the unbelievably sad icon

 Sorry, I haven't had time to listen. Hopefully tomorrow...

DG

Yeah! :D

Paul? DG? Kaufmann? Guy? Any other experts wanna give this a try?

 suntower - thanks for your pleasant words! 

I listened to the excerpt.  You are not doing anything wrong, it is just that the different legatos sound more or less connected.   For example the regular legato articulations include some bowed legato as well as slurred on the same string.  So if you want a more pronounced sliding legato, you could switch to portamento or sul.  But as DG said the notes overlapping will trigger a legato transition.  The legato on each of the these string sections sounds different by the way.  The Chamber, Orchestral, Solo, Appassionata have different legato depending on what was recorded.  It is not entirely consistent.  So that on Appassionata, you have an a/b switch for portamento within the legato instruments.  You don't have that on Chamber or Solo, and so need to use either portamento articulations or sul. 

Also, one thing you can try changing is - hit the first note with a slightly higher velocity.  If you then hit the second transition note a little lower, the legato often sounds smoother. 

Thanks for the detailed comments. I will try your suggestions. If I may trouble you for some quick follow up:

1. You wrote: "So if you want a more pronounced sliding legato, you could switch to portamento or sul." I did not realise that there is a dedicated 'sul' articulation. What is -that-? Does that mean 'try to take all notes on the same string?'

2. Any suggestions on using Portamento? I frankly have not yet found a good application... it always sounds too much like a synth. What am I doing wrong?

3. Would VI Pro help with more consistent legato? I understand that there is some sort of time-stretching. Does this make connected notes smoother?

Thanks again,

---JC

@William said:

 suntower - thanks for your pleasant words! 

I listened to the excerpt.  You are not doing anything wrong, it is just that the different legatos sound more or less connected.   For example the regular legato articulations include some bowed legato as well as slurred on the same string.  So if you want a more pronounced sliding legato, you could switch to portamento or sul.  But as DG said the notes overlapping will trigger a legato transition.  The legato on each of the these string sections sounds different by the way.  The Chamber, Orchestral, Solo, Appassionata have different legato depending on what was recorded.  It is not entirely consistent.  So that on Appassionata, you have an a/b switch for portamento within the legato instruments.  You don't have that on Chamber or Solo, and so need to use either portamento articulations or sul. 

Also, one thing you can try changing is - hit the first note with a slightly higher velocity.  If you then hit the second transition note a little lower, the legato often sounds smoother. 

Regarding portamento: the portamento in the basic VI is rather difficult to use.  It has only one speed, and that speed cannot be changed.  Quite often the speed of that portamento does not fit very well within the context one had hoped to use it in.

That situation is radically different in VI Pro 2.  In VI Pro 2 you can adjust the speed of the portamento and create a new articulation reflecting the adjusted speed.  It therefore becomes possible to create different portamentos designed to work in different musical contexts.

Personally, I would never go back to using the basic free VI.

Thanks. I'm gonna really go heads down with the VI Pro demo this weekend. It sounds like almost a 'must have'.

---JC

The sul legato is a connection between notes on one string.  The portamento is as you said much more pronounced and so you cannot use it very much.  However sometimes it is exactly what is needed and would be used in live orchestra - for example, in a big crescendo where you want a very dramatic connection to a high point.  Here, the conductor would tell the strings to do a portamento and their bowing wold actually be changed to allow it.  nolder is right about being able to alter the portamentos, though I haven't actually been doing that yet.  VI pro has all sorts of great things you can do with the samples. 

One more thought regarding portamento: It is important to use portamento very carefully and in a correct context.  As a strings player, one of the things that screams "samples" as opposed to a live player is improper use, particularly over use of portamento, as well as portamento slide speeds that do not mesh with the phrase/passage.

As mentioned in the other post, that is where VI Pro 2 is so important.