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@William said:
MIDI of course is a programming language. But the main controls used within VSL instruments are:
MIDI IS NOT A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE, IT IS A PROTOCOL !!!!!!
A Protocol is a way to define how 2 or more machines are going to talk to each other
As a former software developer, I gotta say, with no disrespect intended, the -last- thing VSL needs is to get more 'programmery'.
If anything, I'd prefer that VSL heads in the direction of being more like a violin... in that it gets fewer and fewer 'options' over time and becomes more -playable-... in real time. ie. it will 'see' the notes and with only one or two controllers figure out your -intention- and then generate the proper performance for you. It's already a long way there, but it certainly can and will go -much- further.
I foresee a day not too far off when there will be nothing like patches/matrices/keyswitches/xfades... except for people who want to make -un-realistic (obviously electronic) sounds. People will laugh out loud at all the MIDI contortions we had to go through to get a 'realistic' performance. I believe it will take as much skill to 'play' VSL as it does a violin (as it does now) but that skill will have less to do with 'programming' and be more like the skills one uses to play a real violin.
Today, you use a zillion primitive controllers, switches, presets, etc. to emulate a violin. It just takes patience to build something--like a castle of toothpicks. Tomorrow: it will be like a violin: only a few interface elements but you'll spend a good while learning to manipulate them expressively. But once you master it? You'll make music---real music--as effortlessly as a good violinist.
That's -my- dream. Real time expression.
But hey... you are welcome to your fantasy as I am to mine. :D VSL has made it clear they're fully booked so it's all blue skyin' anyhoo.
I'm still tryin' to figure out slurs and legato... hint, hint. :D
---JC
@William said:
MIDI of course is a programming language. But the main controls used within VSL instruments are:
MIDI IS NOT A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE, IT IS A PROTOCOL !!!!!!
A Protocol is a way to define how 2 or more machines are going to talk to each other
MIDI is obviously a language for musical expressions and for controlling complex sequences of digital commands - i.e., programming. If you want to split hairs then go ahead.
By the way - what do you DO with all your powerful computer equipment, Cyril? I've never heard any music you do. I am curious as to what you actually do with all this expertise and equipment of yours besides flame people.
Hi William,
You are sinking !
Note of the author :
I have simplify the whole thing not to make it too complicated so Willian could understand the difference of a programming language and a protocol.
VSL SE is wrote in a programming language, the most use at this time C or C ++ but thers is also Java, Algol, Cobol, Basic, RPG II.......
SE will receive Midi messages from your DAW (Logic Cubase...)
A programming language will look like this (this is inside SE) ;
Begin:
read message from midi else on error wait 1 ms then go to Begin
MidiChannel = message [1,1] ;* I extract the midi channel, the type of message, the value of the note, and the velocity
type = message [2,1]
note = message [3,1]
velocity = message [4,1]
If type = CTRL the gosub ctrl ;* if it is not a note I will go to the subroutine that is taking care of controlers
IF note >= c1 and <= B1 then do ;* i check if it is not an articulation change
If note = c1 then
read staccato sample from file
else
if not is c#1 then read legato sample from file
end
else
.........
If I simplify the Midi protocol it looks like this ;
midi01noteA066,midi01noteB044,midi01endnoteA0,midi01endnoteB0,
Explication :
on midi channel 1 I send the a0 with velocity = 66, I send B0 with velocity = 44, I send end note of A0, I send end note 0f 0
So dont speak of things you dont know about !
If my memory is good Midi is a very bad protocol language because the sender just send and the receiver just receive, it is not possible to say in midi "please resend message xxx I have not understand "
With protocol like BSC it is much more complicate, it looks like this :
beggining of a xx bit message,......(my xx bits)....., end of message, control checksum
so when the receiver read the message it extract the 64 bit , to the calculation of the checksum, compare with the checksum send by the sender.
If the difference of the checksums is different than zero it sends a message back to the sender so it sends the block again !!!
Best
Cyril
P.S. I have been programming for 30 years, made a lot of teletransmitions between small and VERY big computer, I have also created a language for talking between host and printers over Postscript
Hi William,
You are sinking !
Note of the author :
I have simplify the whole thing not to make it too complicated so Willian could understand the difference of a programming language and a protocol.
VSL SE is wrote in a programming language, the most use at this time C or C ++ but thers is also Java, Algol, Cobol, Basic, RPG II.......
SE will receive Midi messages from your DAW (Logic Cubase...)
A programming language will look like this (this is inside SE) ;
Begin:
read message from midi else on error wait 1 ms then go to Begin
MidiChannel = message [1,1] ;* I extract the midi channel, the type of message, the value of the note, and the velocity
type = message [2,1]
note = message [3,1]
velocity = message [4,1]
If type = CTRL the gosub ctrl ;* if it is not a note I will go to the subroutine that is taking care of controlers
IF note >= c1 and <= B1 then do ;* i check if it is not an articulation change
If note = c1 then
read staccato sample from file
else
if not is c#1 then read legato sample from file
end
else
.........
If I simplify the Midi protocol it looks like this ;
midi01noteA066,midi01noteB044,midi01endnoteA0,midi01endnoteB0,
Explication :
on midi channel 1 I send the a0 with velocity = 66, I send B0 with velocity = 44, I send end note of A0, I send end note 0f 0
So dont speak of things you dont know about !
If my memory is good Midi is a very bad protocol language because the sender just send and the receiver just receive, it is not possible to say in midi "please resend message xxx I have not understand "
With protocol like BSC it is much more complicate, it looks like this :
beggining of a xx bit message,......(my xx bits)....., end of message, control checksum
so when the receiver read the message it extract the 64 bit , to the calculation of the checksum, compare with the checksum send by the sender.
If the difference of the checksums is different than zero it sends a message back to the sender so it sends the block again !!!
Best
Cyril
P.S. I have been programming for 30 years, made a lot of teletransmitions between small and VERY big computer, I have also created a language for talking between host and printers over Postscript
+1
'Only' a musician? I'd put the skills it takes to make good music right up there with brain surgeon and nuclear physicist. But I sure as heck don't want to -think- like a scientist. Being creative takes up all the brain space I got.
So if you could listen to my demo (in the post on slurs) I'd hold ya in even -higher- esteem than I already do. [:D] (Until this forum allows me to send ya an e-drink, flattery's all I got for incentives.)
---JC
One other thing Cyril, that last post of yours is not impressive, it is simply stultifying. I assume your purpose is to bore people so intensely that they simply give up arguing? If so, you can congratulate yourself on a job well done.
William,
I have spend a lot of time to write the previous mail to explain to you the difference between a programming language and a protocol so you don't die idiot, and instead of thanking me you are insulting me !!!
Many thanks !
Cyril
Cyril, maybe it is a language thing, but you do come across rather egotistical, I think that is why you get a hard time sometimes.
I have a notice up on the wall in my studio, which many read and reconsider what they are about to say:-
Those people who think they know everything
Are annoying to those of us that do.
[:D]
@andyjh said:
Those people who think they know everything
Are annoying to those of us that do.
I keep my mouth shut on subject I dont know.
I help only on subject I know.
A lot of people are saying "thanks" for my help
I have quite a few people speaking directly to me by mail or by phone, lately I have send a Logic template to help to understand Event edit and IAC !
I was trying help William to understand ! Too bad ! I have spend my time for nothing !
@William said:
Cyril I thought you were trying to be a smart aleck. I got rid of that post by the way but you put it back on. Anyway I realize you are correct about the nomenclature.
you deleted too late, so it was sent to everybody that have subscribe to this tread
